Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 03:02:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #443 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. sadistic instructor (Mark Stuber) 2. RE: Sayama (Alvis W. Solis) 3. Re: sadistic instructor -Satoru Sayama (Daniel Arola) 4. Kung Fu Teacher (kenbocan@dsuper.net) 5. Sayama (Jeff Monaghan) 6. Re: Old jarheads and brutality (Todd Ellner) 7. Re: Musashi (RavenSire@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mark Stuber" To: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:45:51 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] sadistic instructor Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I could be wrong but the instructor in the video clip looks a lot like the head of a major MMA school in Japan. There is a long history of brutal/sadistic training in Karate, particularily in the university clubs. Some misguided instructors view it as traditional, in a sense they are correct, but the tradition really only goes back to the pre war militarism of 1930s Japan. Mark Stuber --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: 26 Dec 2005 06:37:07 -0800 From: "Alvis W. Solis" To: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 08:36:16 -0600 Organization: Solis Martial Arts Academy Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Sayama Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Daniel is right, that is Sayama aka the original Tiger Mask. His events Vale Tudo Japan 95-97 were where Rickson fought. Vale Tudo Japan then became PRIDE. The students in that film (its around 1997) were on a waiting list to get into that school. They knew what they were in for. Not saying I agree, but anytime my students start slacking off, I show them this tape, and then point to the bucket of sticks in the corner! LOL! Happy Holidays! Alvis W. Solis Solis Martial Arts Academy www.solismartialarts.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:48:40 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] sadistic instructor -Satoru Sayama To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Erik Paulson knows who that guy is. His name is Satoru Sayama of the Tiger Gym. Yori Nakamura is also from that group and Nakamura Sensei also teaches the Shooto along with the Jun Fan classes at the Inosanto academy in Cali. Mark Stuber wrote: I could be wrong but the instructor in the video clip looks a lot like the head of a major MMA school in Japan. There is a long history of brutal/sadistic training in Karate, particularily in the university clubs. Some misguided instructors view it as traditional, in a sense they are correct, but the tradition really only goes back to the pre war militarism of 1930s Japan. Mark Stuber _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:16:16 -0500 (EST) From: kenbocan@dsuper.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kung Fu Teacher Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Boy what a tempest in a teapot. We claim to be FMAers yet we cringe at the idea of being him a couple of times? I wonder how the sparring was in the PI when no WEKAF gear existed? Sayama was doing the grand old Japanese tradition of separating the wannabes from the possibles in the most efficient manner possible. Have you ever seen videos of Sumo training? Makes this stuff look tame. I remember seeing this video some years ago and appreciating not being there. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:52:01 -0500 From: "Jeff Monaghan" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Sayama Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those of you who do not know Sayama was taught by Karl Gotch and is Yori Nakamura's and Frank Shamrock's teacher. The school is known to produce some devastating fighters for NHB and is not your average corner gym. Cheers, Jeff Monaghan --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:57:44 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Old jarheads and brutality Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The roughness in Marine training is not arbitrary or sadistic even though it seems that way from the inside sometimes. It's designed to further the recruit's training and other important things. I'm willing to bet that when the Marines here caught hell they were looking for you to stand there, eyes forward, no reaction except "Yes, Sir!" and "No, Sir!" while you were getting chewed out. Not cringe and show fear. Ever since "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" and the murder of a few recruits during pugil stick training - guys being forced to fight without protection or water for hours in 100 degree plus weather - it's been considered poor form to do train soldiers in ways that are likely to seriously injure or kill them. This guy is simply a sadist. He goes for the cringe and the shrink. He hits people hard for no reason except to cause pain and show his own dominance and in ways which could seriously mess up the students. There's a place for fear and pain in hard training. When it's used too much or arbitrarily it quickly becomes brutality. Brutalize people long enough and they don't become brave. They become terrified and vicious. And sooner or later one will turn on you. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: RavenSire@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:01:05 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Musashi To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net it is great that musashi has created such a thought-process amoung those in the fma's. however, he did not learn his nito ryu (two sword) style from anyone. as hard as it may seem he was ahead of his time. in his day many used the sword and another weapon as a way to equalize a fight to the death. i will give you an example: most swordman: samurai (service warriors), ronin (masterless samurai), sohei (warrior monks) , even ninja (shadow mercenaries), were either right-handed or forced to be from birth. they used a sword in their right hand and weapons in the other. some used darts (shuriken), stars (shaken), tetsubishi (multi-pointed projectiles) taken from hidden pockets sewn into their clothing. others used the wakisashi (short sword) as the secondary weapon. musashi saw the need to develope a two-handed system of his own. he was known as a loner, spent many hours alone and these hours were spent relentlessly studying and developing techniques of survival. i have been in japanese martial arts over 35 years, i have learned these things first hand. although i am known for my kobudo expertise, my brother, master carlos varon is a swords-man, certified in japan. if anyone would like a chart of the basic sword-cuts practiced on a dead body, let me know. you can compare it to the 12 strikes that many of us use in fma... peace and stay strong, ra! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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