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(Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Emanuel Hart Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:15:57 +0100 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Conceal Knife Recommendation Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net IMHO, regardless of the type of knife you get, I would recommend that you spend a LOT of time training some basics as well as making sure she is mentally prepared to use it against someone if she is going to deploy it. Unfortunately there are people out there that would laugh in the face of a woman with a blade and take her on. Regards, Emanuel ---- > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:27:16 +0800 > From: "S. H. Wee" > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Conceal Knife Recommendation > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > On the eve of Xmas, my wife wa robbed right in front of my house. My > wife, who has no prior martial art training nor an athletic type, > raised her shin straight into the guy's groin, broke her umbrella over > his back and pressed the auto gate's remote controll to release our two > dogs. The 2 robbers fled. During the whole incident, she was so scared > that she can't even mutter a word. I was right at the back of the > kitchen preparing the turkey and only realised what've happened when my > dogs barked. > > I thank God that she reacted so fast that the robbers have no time to > hurt her, but next time she might not so lucky. I am thinking of > getting > her a concealeble fixed-blade, something easy to conceal and fast to > deploy (she had a can of pepper spray in her bag dueing the incident > but > can't get to it on time). Something menacing enough to keep the threat > away from her long enough for her to scream or get her pepper spray > out. > > Your recommendation will be vey much appreciated. > > > Thanks. > > S. H. Wee > shinhoe@pc.jaring.my --__--__-- Message: 2 From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:08:29 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net S. H. Wee states: > I am thinking of getting > her a concealeble fixed-blade, something easy to conceal and fast to > deploy (she had a can of pepper spray in her bag dueing the > incident but > can't get to it on time). Something menacing enough to keep the threat > away from her long enough for her to scream or get her pepper spray > out. Several questions: How will the blade be carried? How much do you want to spend? What are the local laws re a concealed fixed blade? How big a blade will she carry? There are a range of options out there. Inexpensive production knives that allow a variety of carry options include: CRKT Bearclaw http://crkt.com/bearclaw.html Ryan Plan B http://www.1sks.com/store/crkt-ryan-plan-b.html Cold Steel Kobun http://www.coldsteel.com/kobun.html The sky's the limit if you want to get into customs. Answer the questions above and I'd likely have a couple recommendations. I'd suggest steering clear of push daggers and blades with odd blade/ handle geometry unless your wife will spend the time to get well acquainted with them. Just about everybody has used a two to six inch cooking knife extensively and so will have little trouble adapting to a carry blade of similar geometry. Indeed, if your wife has a favorite kitchen knife the simplest solution may be to find her something of a similar size and shape for carry. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:30:43 -0600 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: Subject: [Eskrima] pingga Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just received a Pingga made to order from Bamboo. It appears to be drying out here in the lower humidity of the United States. Anyone have suggestions on the best oils to use to keep it from drying out? Thanks in advance, Steve --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:33:31 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Conceal Knife Recommendation Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: "S. H. Wee" > On the eve of Xmas, my wife was robbed right in front of my house. My > wife, who has no prior martial art training nor an athletic type, > raised her shin straight into the guy's groin, broke her umbrella over > his back and pressed the auto gate's remote controll to release our two > dogs. The 2 robbers fled. > I thank God that she reacted so fast that the robbers have no time to > hurt her, but next time she might not so lucky. I am thinking of getting > her a concealeble fixed-blade, something easy to conceal and fast to > deploy (she had a can of pepper spray in her bag dueing the incident but > can't get to it on time). Something menacing enough to keep the threat > away from her long enough for her to scream or get her pepper spray out. Okay, first off, kudos to your wife for success. She did an impressive feat. Scared? You betcha. Reacting correctly for the situation? In that case, yes. Planning ahead? Wow, I'm impressed, not many people would have thought about deploying the canine cavalry with the remote. And face it, dogs have a much better defensive range than pepper spray Second, watch for the post-event reaction(s). The first usually occurs between 32-48 hours after action and then less frequently, but they hit like waves. They manifest differently for different people. Depression, fear, anger, crying jags, irritability, inability to sleep, jitters, etc., etc.. The first is usually the worst, and they tend to become less and less intense. For the next few weeks just watch for her going through rough spots. Being a loving and doting husband until she comes back to an even keel. She might even try to hide these from you. On the other hand, she might want to constantly talk about it. Just watch for personality changes. The good news is that her success will probably really lessen the intensity. The bad news is that unless she has had some previous experience with violence, this event will have rocked her world. Many people have their world view/model cracked when they encounter violence like that. Their sense of "trust" in the world is severely shaken. Face it, it is an emotional shock to realize that there are people out there who will do this to 'you.' They don't just exist on the TV, she now has first hand experience that they exist. Here's the thing. Most people will try to repair their world and try to get thing to go back to 'normal.' Other people seriously freak out and obsess on the idea of "the next time." That is to say that they want to redesign their world view around the possibility of violence. Crime and violence have always been there, but now it's personal. I have found, from casual observation over the years, that women tend to be more the former than the latter. They pretty much want to forget about it and get back to living their lives. Guys on the other hand, like to be fixers. So here's my point...does you wife want to carry a knife? I mean this as: Does she want to or will she do it just to appease your concerns? Many women are really uncomfortable about the idea of carrying a lethal weapon. Now my wife is weird in this regard (the weird sh*t-o-meter went off last July when a friend walked up and asked "Would your wife like the switchblade they're raffling?" My response was "No, that one is too big for her hand." That's when the Normal-people- don't-have- these-kinds-of-conversations bell went off), but even she hesitates about carrying a gun. She's just not comfortable with their destructive potential. But generally speaking, when you are talking about guns or knives most women are not willing to carry that degree of force. Pepper sprays and other non-lethal devices are about as far as they want to go (and often they carry those at their husband's insistence instead of a real sense of need). As much as you want to protect her, it is her choice whether or not she goes down that route. The fact that the pepper spray was inaccessible, gives me a suspicion that it was not a high priority to her. So in essence, if she just wants things to go back to normal, getting her to carry a lethal weapon is going to be a hard sell. Or, more realistically it will be a "That's nice, Dear" and then the knife gets dropped into the depths of her purse. Now, if she does decide that she wants to carry a knife. Then again it is her decision. The absolute best knife is the one that the person is most comfortable with. Which means quite frankly, you take her shopping and let her pick the one that suits her best. My wife likes balisongs, I don't. My Ex absolutely loved knives with scalloped handles for the fingers, those types of blades bug me to no end because my hand is forced in one grip. The kind of knife that I prefer never felt comfortable in her hand. The absolute best manufactured and finest quality blade is no where near as effective as a blade that someone is comfortable with. Buying a knife for your wife is like trying to buy clothes for her -- just assume you're going to get it wrong. Far better just to take her shopping and let her decide what she wants. Because quite frankly -- assuming she wants to do this at all -- the knife that she chooses will be best suited to her. And that will be the one that she will be best at using. M --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:44:20 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Doce Pares to hold election Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thursday, December 29, 2005 Doce Pares to hold election tomorrow The Cacoy Doce Pares World Federation will elect its new set of officers for the year 2006 tomorrow at 5 p.m. at its headquarters on 81-A C. Padilla St., Cebu City. Eskrima grandmaster Ciriaco "Cacoy" Caņete, the president of the federation, said the newly elected officers will be inducted into office on Jan. 14, which is the 74th founding anniversary of the federation. Cacoy, a recipient of seven Hall of Fame awards both here and abroad, said the oath-taking ceremony will be one of the highlights of the annual grand anniversary celebration next month. He said the right choice of officials for 2006 is of utmost importance because the Federation will embark on activities geared toward the achievement of its goals, which include stirring interest for the martial art among the youth, organize local and international tournaments and promote the sport vigorously locally and abroad through seminars. The group came into existence in Cebu City in 1932 with only a handful of Doce Pares experts and practitioners. On its 74th year, the federation has grown into a world-renowned group, highly-respected even by different martial arts experts all over the world. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:19:37 -0500 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] pingga Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Steve, Shellac is probably your best bet. Although not water resistant, it is best suited to extreme climate changes by slowly absorbing and releasing moisture to adapt for the humidity variants as the season changes. Do several coats either by wiping or spraying. Let each coat dry before applying the next layer and rub a very very fine steel wool (000 grade)in between coats before the application. Shellac is not a tough finish but it will help with moisture problems. Good Luck. Jose "Van Harn, Steve" wrote: >Just received a Pingga made to order from Bamboo. >It appears to be drying out here in the lower humidity of the United >States. >Anyone have suggestions on the best oils to use to keep it from drying >out? >Thanks in advance, >Steve >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:30:43 -0800 From: T David Reyes To: Subject: [Eskrima] Fixed blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I am thinking of getting > her a concealeble fixed-blade, A Cold Steel Culloden (preferably the large model) will tuck nicely away in her waistband. Best of luck to both of you. Best Regards, David Reyes --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:12:16 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] ... and Kali, commonly used in American circles. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Arnis continues to gain popularity The Filipino Express Online By Erik Ortiz NEW JERSEY --- In the tiny Jersey City studio, they gather nightly, to clash one-on-one with rattan sticks, knives and their bare hands. But in the midst of combat, they tread with caution. "When there's more than 12 people, it gets too crowded," said Arnulfo "Dong" Cuesta of the Philippine Integrated Martial Arts Academy on Kellogg Street, home to one of the oldest Filipino martial arts programs in New Jersey. "We can only have one fight at a time." That will change January 5, when the 20-year-old academy moves to a larger base on Bergen Avenue to accommodate its growing enrolment. Although still relatively obscure, the centuries-old martial arts form, once banned by the Spaniards in the Philippines because they believed it took time away from work, has been gaining in popularity among thriving Filipino communities, experts say. At Cuesta's academy, membership is now at 70, an increase of about 20 people in the past three years. He said that many are attracted to his program's more relaxed atmosphere, compared to stricter martial arts methods from other Asian countries. Carl Atienza, whose family runs Atienza Kali in New York City, trains his pupils in rigorous exercises focusing primarily on blade combat. He said there is a potential to expose Filipino martial arts to a larger, mainstream audience. "We teach how to protect yourself in real life situations and having that 'I'm not prey' mind-set," said Atienza, 33, who has taught law enforcement and military personnel. "But it's important that what we teach doesn't get watered down." He added that after Sept. 11, 2001, people have become more interested in personal security, regarding self-defense as a necessary skill. While its exact origins are debatable, Filipino marital arts has had a long history among the island country's indigenous tribes. It is known by a variety of names, such as Eskrima and Arnis, words with Spanish origins, and Kali, commonly used in American circles. Teachers are known as guros and typically emphasize stick or knife combat first, and later, hand-to-hand fighting. Similar to karate or tae kwon do, clubs across the country compete in competitive tournaments, in which fighters, wearing protective body and headgear, strike at each other for points. The World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation, a governing body of the sport formed in 1989, sponsors annual national and world championships with membership from more than 30 countries. As its reputation grows, Cuesta said, Filipino martial arts can also serve as a bridge for non-Filipinos to understand Filipino culture. "I've gotten to travel to the Philippines and compete," said student Art Zigman, 58, of Jersey City, perspiring after a sparring session earlier this month at the Philippine Integrated Martial Arts Academy. "It's been a great opportunity." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest