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RE: Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation - IMHO Don't Do (Ken Grubb) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:13:33 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Golden Kamagong bets shine in stickfighting tilt Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bacolod City, Philippines Wednesday, December 28, 2005 Golden Kamagong bets shine in stickfighting tilt The members of the Bacolod Golden Kamagong took two individual crowns to bring home the overall title of the Ultimate Stickfighting Grand Championship at the Gaisano City Mall in Bacolod City recently. Lightweight Rey Destriza, who emerged as the grand champion in the tournament, topped his division to spearhead the Ibarra Lopez-mentored BGK team. Kamagong bet Alfren Tongoy snared the featherweight championship after beating Ramei Vedol of the Guinabo Combat Sports in the finals. Tapondo International's Jerry Mark Dela Cruz placed third. The KaliSilat Arnis Association finished first runner-up overall, while the Sikaran Arnis Society of grandmaster Romeo Postrano ended up in second runner-up. Winning for KAA, mentored by grandmaster Danny Cardinal, were Danjohn Cardinal in the kids 11 to 12 years old category and Harold Dulaca in the junior 1 to 18 yrs. old. Middleweight Remond Langno of SAS snatched the championship in his category, while teammate Anthony Magbanua won the kids 13 to 14 yrs. old crown. Jezrel Bugna of Tapondo International defeated SAS bet Reymond Angeles for the heavyweight title. Ricardo Llanera of KAA placed third. The event was organized by Cardinal and master Baldwin Garrucho of Mantasdaga Inetrnational in cooperation with the Negros Baston Federation Inc. and Union of Martial Arts Organization of Negros Bacolod. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:16:03 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Docu-movie honoring war vets at Consulate Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Docu-movie honoring war vets at Consulate NEW YORK --- The Philippine Consulate General in New York, and several Filipino veterans groups jointly presented a movie documentary, "An Untold Triumph," about the never-been-told story of 7,000 men of the 1st and 2nd Filipino Infantry Regiments of the US Army who fought in World War II last Sunday, December 11. Directed by Noel Izon, the movie documentary showed how, on January 2, 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed an executive order allowing Filipinos to join the US Army and form a volunteer all-Filipino unit. Those who joined later formed General MacArthur's "secret weapon" that helped him make good on his promise to return to the Philippines and liberate the country from Japanese occupation. In spite of the fact that they endured a bleak, racist prewar climate and were not even considered U.S. citizens, the Filipino soldiers proved to be skilled fighters and trustworthy allies to the American forces. They were an indispensable force in liberating the Philippines from Japan and, ultimately, in America's winning the war in the Pacific. Lou Diamond Phillips, a Filipino-American actor whose filmography includes Young Guns I and II, The Three Kings, and La Bamba, narrated the movie documentary. In 2002, the movie won the Audience Award for Best Documentary at the Hawaii International Film Festival. The two screenings on Sunday were free of charge and attracted Filipino and American audiences from the tri-state area. In a simple tribute, Consul General Cecilia Rebong honored the veterans with Certificates of Recognition for their valiant deeds and for their meritorious work in working for veterans' benefits and privileges. The Consul General also gave out posthumous recognition certificates. In her message, the Consul General noted that the work of the Philippine government and veterans groups to achieve parity of health and pension privileges with other WWII veterans would be more effective if the Fil-Am community presented a united front in the lobby efforts. Among the sponsors were the Philippine American Veterans Organization, Inc (PAVO), Philippine-American Veterans Auxiliary, Inc. (PAVOA), and Sons, Daughters and Orphans of Philippine American Veterans, Inc (SDO-PAV). --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:05:47 +0800 From: "S. H. Wee" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Buz, I have been involved in various martial arts for the past 15 years. My wife is not an athletic person and never interested in training with me. (In fact, she would be happier if I stopped training and spend more time with her.LOL). That is, until now. I am glad what little I've managed to teach her works. What I am looking for is something light and easy to conceal. I am thinking of a very sharp, menacing fixed blade which can be fastened to her waist horizontally and concealed. The knife should be easy to to draw in reverse grip, blade forward fashion. (If you have a better knife carrying and drawing suggestion, please let me know). I am not so worry about the law, criminals generally do not have much right here (You rarely go to jail for killing a burglar). Besides, if it come to the worst, the one with better lawyer and more money to spend usually won. Thanks in advance. S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaeing.my > > Several questions: > > How will the blade be carried? > How much do you want to spend? > What are the local laws re a concealed fixed blade? > How big a blade will she carry? > > There are a range of options out there. Inexpensive production knives > that allow a variety of carry options include: > > CRKT Bearclaw > http://crkt.com/bearclaw.html > > Ryan Plan B > http://www.1sks.com/store/crkt-ryan-plan-b.html > > Cold Steel Kobun > http://www.coldsteel.com/kobun.html > > The sky's the limit if you want to get into customs. Answer the > questions above and I'd likely have a couple recommendations. > > I'd suggest steering clear of push daggers and blades with odd blade/ > handle geometry unless your wife will spend the time to get well > acquainted with them. Just about everybody has used a two to six inch > cooking knife extensively and so will have little trouble adapting to > a carry blade of similar geometry. Indeed, if your wife has a > favorite kitchen knife the simplest solution may be to find her > something of a similar size and shape for carry. > > Regards, > > Buz Grover > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Billlowery" To: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:14:46 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Doce Pares 1932 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: "The group came into existence in Cebu City in 1932 with only a handful of Doce Pares experts and practitioners. On its 74th year, the federation has grown into a world-renowned group, highly-respected even by different martial arts experts all over the world." OK, I'm prepared to be flamed for this but...Doce Pares 1932 was obviously founded in 1932. Cacoy Doce Pares World Federation was founded recently, after Cacoy broke away from the original organisation and set up his own. So Cacoys Federation cannot be entering its 74th year. I am well aware that Cacoy was there at the start of the 1932 set up, but that doesn't make his own organisation of equal age. Bill --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:25:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bart Hubbard To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation - IMHO Don't Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey There, Some people have made some pretty good points here. I heartily echo Emanuel's comment about training. IMHO getting her a knife as her first line of defense is NOT a good idea, epecially a concealed carry. There are always at least two sides to the issue, and I think the "NO" vote has more merit. In a battlefield situation, it would be different, but in the context of civilized urban/suburban life it does not make good sense. I'm assuming that she's not willing to change her lifestyle. Most people are not, even after they've been attacked. Unless she starts training and trains continually, her knife could just as easily be turned on her. Also, just because the blade might be able to clip onto something doesn't mean it won't wind up right beside the pepper spray in the purse. More useful and less dangerous to her would be a self defense class that emphasizes situational awareness. Another reason not to get her the knife is the legality of carrying and using a concealed weapon. I don't know what state you live in, but here in California brandishing a weapon, carrying a concealed weapon, and using a deadly weapon are crimes unless you have the right combination of circumstances. That combination is very rare. I would suggest finding an alternative to getting her a knife. Some might be: 1. If you live in a bad area, MOVE. 2. Get a keychain remote that is more accessible so she can let the dogs out more easily. 3. Get her a personal alarm that makes a LOT of noise. 4. Get her a heavier and longer umbrella and then show her some rudimentary striking techniques. 5. Clean out the garage so she can park the car inside instead of on the street which requires a walk in the dark to come inside. Again, I don't know all the circumstances, but my gut feeling is that a knife isn't the best solution to this problem. Whatever her decision, best of luck to the both of you. Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:02:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > What I am looking for is something light and easy to conceal. I am > thinking of a very sharp, menacing fixed blade which can be fastened to > her waist horizontally and concealed. Hi Wee, How about a Kerambit? Made for use by women, esp in your part of the world... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Doce Pares 1932 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:59:54 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Ray wrote: > "The group came into existence in Cebu City in 1932 with only a handful of > Doce Pares experts and practitioners. On its 74th year, the federation has > grown into a world-renowned group, highly-respected even by different > martial arts experts all over the world." Well, I didn't really write it, I simply forwarded it. It came from a newspaper in the Philippines. > OK, I'm prepared to be flamed for this but...Doce Pares 1932 was obviously > founded in 1932. Cacoy Doce Pares World Federation was founded recently, > after Cacoy broke away from the original organisation and set up his own. So > Cacoys Federation cannot be entering its 74th year. > > I am well aware that Cacoy was there at the start of the 1932 set up, but > that doesn't make his own organisation of equal age. Granted, as an attorney, Diony was able to push Cacoy out of the group of which he/Diony is now the head. But given that Cacoy is Diony's uncle, his prior instructor, an original DP member, the only original DP member still living and/or active, and also given that Cacoy was the "point man" for Doce Pares (doing their full-contact unpadded fighting when the org was to be represented) from the 1940s straight on through, I think he should be allowed to claim and use the name Doce Pares any way he wishes. After all, who is better associated with the Doce Pares name or the Doce Pares group than Cacoy? But then I'm biased... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:26:57 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Dog Bros TV pitch piece Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: We have two new clips up at www.dogbrothers.com 1) Promo clip for our very-soon-to-be-released DVD "Cycle Drills" featuring Guro Lonely Dog 2) As mentioned previously, our most recent "DB Gathering of the Pack" was filmed by Original Productions (current shows airing are "Monster Garage" and "Monster House") and today we posted the 9:30 "pitch piece" that they are using to approach various networks for a Dog Brothers reality TV show. SPIKE has already expressed interest and additional meetings are scheduled. The Adventure continues, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:49:16 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Doce Pares 1932 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Better associated" sounds a bit strong, and, er, biased. I would say Manong Cacoy has at the very least as much right to the Doce Pares name (and organization) as Atty. Diony. From what I understand, Diony is equally well respected in certain quarters in the Philippines. Unfortunately, as we all know, family squabbles happen. Just a casual observer, Jay de Leon Ray wrote: Granted, as an attorney, Diony was able to push Cacoy out of the group of which he/Diony is now the head. But given that Cacoy is Diony's uncle, his prior instructor, an original DP member, the only original DP member still living and/or active, and also given that Cacoy was the "point man" for Doce Pares (doing their full-contact unpadded fighting when the org was to be represented) from the 1940s straight on through, I think he should be allowed to claim and use the name Doce Pares any way he wishes. After all, who is better associated with the Doce Pares name or the Doce Pares group than Cacoy? But then I'm biased... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Ken Grubb" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation - IMHO Don't Do Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:08:23 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bart Hubbard wrote: > Another reason not to get her the knife is the legality of carrying > and using a concealed weapon. I very much agree that legality should be considered. > I don't know what state you live in Might be a province or territory rather than state. We're a worldwide community here. > here in California brandishing a weapon, carrying a concealed weapon, > and using a deadly weapon are crimes unless you have the right combination > of circumstances. Maybe yes, maybe no. California just says NO to fixed blade knives, but folders are perfectly legal and there's no blade length limit. Seriously. Check out Jim March's knife page. He is extremely knowledgeable and helpful if you have questions about guns or knives in California. http://www.equalccw.com/ http://www.equalccw.com/knifelaw.html In some ways California has better knife laws than Washington, but Washington has better gun laws and better use of force statutes and caselaw. Ken Grubb Bellevue, WA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 2005-12-29 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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