Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:08:19 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #3 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Mel Lopez ? (Ray) 2. Better than a kick in the head (Ray Terry) 3. Re: Concealed Knife Recommendations (S. H. Wee) 4. Re: Concealed Knife Recommendations - Kerambits (S. H. Wee) 5. Re: Concealed Knife Carry - Smuggled From Borneo (S. H. Wee) 6. Re: Mel Lopez ? (ronin ortega) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:34:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Mel Lopez ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have a friend that would like to contact Tuhan Mel Lopez about Villabrille/Largusa Kali. Is he still actively teaching in the Fremont, Calif area? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:50:38 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Better than a kick in the head Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Better than a kick in the head By Wynette Puntuna 3 January 2006 14:04 IHT Thai Day Fitness promotion and national pride widen the appeal of a brutal martial art In the old days, women were banned from entering a Thai boxing ring. A woman's presence, it was believed, could destroy a boxer's skill and thus make him vulnerable to injuries. But things have changed. These days, it isn't surprising to find women among the ranks of professional fighters. And as a result of the government's recent fitness campaign, more people – including women and children – are turning to the deadly martial art as a form of exercise. To serve this new clientele, every weekend and public holiday, usually from 3pm to 5pm, the ring at the Muay Thai Institute in Pathum Thani becomes a fitness center. The institute, accredited by the Thai Education Ministry and the World Muay Thai Council, offers fundamental Thai boxing courses to anyone – Thai or farang, young or old. "Our aim is to make Thai boxing a sport for everyone, like judo and tae kwon do," says Amnuay Kesbumrung, owner and president of the institute. The martial art's boosters are well on their way, judging by the diversity of people learning muay Thai. Thai Airways hostess Monruthai Larpchalermpong, 31, trains to improve her health – and to learn some self-defense techniques. "Because of work, there are times when I have to go home alone late at night," she says. "My boyfriend suggested that I learn muay Thai to help defend myself." Twenty-year-old Patinya Sakhorn, a student at Rangsit University, trains whenever she can find the time between studying and working at her parents' restaurants. "I was training in tae kwon do when my dad advised that I switch to Thai boxing. He convinced me by saying that Thai boxing is well known worldwide and a lot of foreigners are trying to learn the sport," she says. Even children as young as five or six are training. Thanagorn Pereepong, whose six-year-old son is learning the fundamentals of the martial art, thinks Thais should be proud of their national sport. "I have noticed it's the fashion for many parents to send their children to learn martial arts like tae kwon do or judo," Thanagorn says. "The costumes are attractive, but I think in the end, it is not advisable for Thai children to learn the martial arts of foreign countries. "Why? Because should a child become successful in the skills of these martial arts and go on to win a gold medal in the Olympic Games, the medal won is not for Thailand but for Korea or Japan. For this reason, I'd like my son to learn Thai boxing, not because I want him to be a professional boxer, but because this martial art is a part of Thai culture." Of course, strictly speaking, if a Thai were to win an Olympic medal in, say, judo, the medal would go to Thailand. But the pull of nationalism cannot be ignored. The institute's Amnuay, who looks amazingly young at 71, observes that a country often has its own sport or martial art. Japan has judo, China has kung fu, Korea has tae kwon do, and Thailand has muay Thai. Myanmar and Cambodia practice similar forms of kickboxing. "Muay Thai has been practiced in Thailand since time immemorial," Amnuay says. "This martial art is unique because it is accompanied by dance and music. Music creates a fun ambiance and rouses the boxers. The dance, wai kru, is actually the warmup exercise. "Muay Thai is also world-renowned because it uses many parts of the body as weapons. It is a powerful martial art and a sure way to protect yourself." The Muay Thai Institute offers courses for children age six and up. Practitioners say Thai boxing is less about having your child learn to fight others, than about fighting his or her own innermost fears. Take the case of six-year old Paul Puntuna. According to his mother Sunee, he is a playful boy but often comes home with bruises, given to him by school bullies. To help him protect himself, Sunee enrolled him in the institute. Paul loved Thai boxing from the first day. Day by day, he gained confidence and now, the bullies have become more careful. Admittedly, children are difficult to teach as they have a short attention span and always want to play. But the institute's instructors are not only professional Thai boxers but also trained teachers. Each course is 40 hours, and students are free to set their own schedules. A teacher is available even if there is only one student present. A typical class starts with a warmup of stretches and punches. When the class is especially large, pumping music plays. "We call this kind of warmup aeroboxing," Amnuay says. Thereafter the class splits into groups according to skill level. Men and women, who are usually more advanced, separate from the children and don boxing gloves. The three-ring gym is lined, on both sides, with large sand bags for kicking. During the training, students alternately practice punches, kicks and engage in matches. Abdominal work, jump rope, and pushups fill in any spare moments. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:26:18 +0800 From: "S. H. Wee" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Recommendations Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bart, Thanks for your advice. For a 5ft tall lady, legallity aside, IMHO, knife is the best self-defense weapon! Unless you have years of martial art training. All the stick and heavy umbrella will not stop a six foot guy charging at her, she was lucky because her first shot landed squarely between the legs. And it is much harder to wrestle a short reverse grip knife out of her hand than a stick. Three months is all I need to turn someone without any prior training into a deadly threat with knife. It will take years of training with stick. The good thing about my country is that criminal generally do not get much sympathy from the judges and lawyers ARE expensive! The one with better lawyers and more money to "spend" generally wins. Unlike some countries, you don't go to jail for being a threat to the burglar. In fact, to the best of my knowledge, I do not know of any person going to jail for injuring a criminal, even for those that have been beaten to death in broad daylight. Sincerely, S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my >Hey There, > >Some people have made some pretty good points here. I >heartily echo Emanuel's comment about training. > >IMHO getting her a knife as her first line of defense >is NOT a good idea, epecially a concealed carry. There >are always at least two sides to the issue, and I >think the "NO" vote has more merit. In a battlefield >situation, it would be different, but in the context >of civilized urban/suburban life it does not make good >sense. > >I'm assuming that she's not willing to change her >lifestyle. Most people are not, even after they've >been attacked. Unless she starts training and trains >continually, her knife could just as easily be turned >on her. Also, just because the blade might be able to >clip onto something doesn't mean it won't wind up >right beside the pepper spray in the purse. More >useful and less dangerous to her would be a self >defense class that emphasizes situational awareness. > >Another reason not to get her the knife is the >legality of carrying and using a concealed weapon. I >don't know what state you live in, but here in >California brandishing a weapon, carrying a concealed >weapon, and using a deadly weapon are crimes unless >you have the right combination of circumstances. That >combination is very rare. > >I would suggest finding an alternative to getting her >a knife. Some might be: > >1. If you live in a bad area, MOVE. >2. Get a keychain remote that is more accessible so >she can let the dogs out more easily. >3. Get her a personal alarm that makes a LOT of noise. > >4. Get her a heavier and longer umbrella and then show >her some rudimentary striking techniques. >5. Clean out the garage so she can park the car inside >instead of on the street which requires a walk in the >dark to come inside. > >Again, I don't know all the circumstances, but my gut >feeling is that a knife isn't the best solution to >this problem. Whatever her decision, best of luck to >the both of you. > > >Be Cool. > >Bart Hubbard >Capital Doce Pares >www.capitaldocepares.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Eskrima] Re: Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation > From: > Ray > Date: > Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:02:24 -0800 (PST) > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >>What I am looking for is something light and easy to conceal. I am >>thinking of a very sharp, menacing fixed blade which can be fastened to >>her waist horizontally and concealed. >> >> > >Hi Wee, > >How about a Kerambit? Made for use by women, esp in your part of the world... > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Eskrima] Re: Doce Pares 1932 > From: > Ray > Date: > Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:59:54 -0800 (PST) > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >>Ray wrote: >>"The group came into existence in Cebu City in 1932 with only a handful of >>Doce Pares experts and practitioners. On its 74th year, the federation has >>grown into a world-renowned group, highly-respected even by different >>martial arts experts all over the world." >> >> > >Well, I didn't really write it, I simply forwarded it. It came from a >newspaper in the Philippines. > > > >> OK, I'm prepared to be flamed for this but...Doce Pares 1932 was obviously >>founded in 1932. Cacoy Doce Pares World Federation was founded recently, >>after Cacoy broke away from the original organisation and set up his own. So >>Cacoys Federation cannot be entering its 74th year. >> >> I am well aware that Cacoy was there at the start of the 1932 set up, but >>that doesn't make his own organisation of equal age. >> >> > >Granted, as an attorney, Diony was able to push Cacoy out of the group of >which he/Diony is now the head. But given that Cacoy is Diony's uncle, his >prior instructor, an original DP member, the only original DP member still >living and/or active, and also given that Cacoy was the "point man" for >Doce Pares (doing their full-contact unpadded fighting when the org was >to be represented) from the 1940s straight on through, I think he should >be allowed to claim and use the name Doce Pares any way he wishes. After >all, who is better associated with the Doce Pares name or the Doce Pares >group than Cacoy? > >But then I'm biased... > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Eskrima] Dog Bros TV pitch piece > From: > "Marc Denny" > Date: > Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:26:57 -0800 > To: > > > To: > > > > Woof All: > > We have two new clips up at www.dogbrothers.com > > 1) Promo clip for our very-soon-to-be-released DVD "Cycle Drills" > featuring Guro Lonely Dog > > 2) As mentioned previously, our most recent "DB Gathering of the > Pack" was filmed by Original Productions (current shows airing are > "Monster Garage" and "Monster House") and today we posted the 9:30 > "pitch piece" that they are using to approach various networks for a > Dog Brothers reality TV show. SPIKE has already expressed interest and > additional meetings are scheduled. > > The Adventure continues, > Crafty Dog > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Eskrima] Re: Doce Pares 1932 > From: > jay de leon > Date: > Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:49:16 -0800 (PST) > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >"Better associated" sounds a bit strong, and, er, biased. I would say Manong Cacoy has at the very least as much right to the Doce Pares name (and organization) as Atty. Diony. From what I understand, Diony is equally well respected in certain quarters in the Philippines. Unfortunately, as we all know, family squabbles happen. > > Just a casual observer, > > Jay de Leon > > > >Ray wrote: > Granted, as an attorney, Diony was able to push Cacoy out of the group of >which he/Diony is now the head. But given that Cacoy is Diony's uncle, his >prior instructor, an original DP member, the only original DP member still >living and/or active, and also given that Cacoy was the "point man" for >Doce Pares (doing their full-contact unpadded fighting when the org was >to be represented) from the 1940s straight on through, I think he should >be allowed to claim and use the name Doce Pares any way he wishes. After >all, who is better associated with the Doce Pares name or the Doce Pares >group than Cacoy? > >But then I'm biased... > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > RE: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Recommendation - IMHO Don't Do > From: > "Ken Grubb" > Date: > Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:08:23 -0800 > To: > > > To: > > > >Bart Hubbard wrote: > > > >>Another reason not to get her the knife is the legality of carrying >>and using a concealed weapon. >> >> > >I very much agree that legality should be considered. > > > >>I don't know what state you live in >> >> > >Might be a province or territory rather than state. We're a worldwide >community here. > > > >>here in California brandishing a weapon, carrying a concealed weapon, >>and using a deadly weapon are crimes unless you have the right combination >>of circumstances. >> >> > >Maybe yes, maybe no. California just says NO to fixed blade knives, but >folders are perfectly legal and there's no blade length limit. Seriously. >Check out Jim March's knife page. He is extremely knowledgeable and helpful >if you have questions about guns or knives in California. > >http://www.equalccw.com/ >http://www.equalccw.com/knifelaw.html > >In some ways California has better knife laws than Washington, but >Washington has better gun laws and better use of force statutes and caselaw. > >Ken Grubb >Bellevue, WA > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >http://eskrima-fma.net >Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima > >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember September 11. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 12/27/2005 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:47:09 +0800 From: "S. H. Wee" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Recommendations - Kerambits Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, Excellent idea! Why didn't i thought of that? I am thinking of getting the traditional hair pin and sharpened it. She can use it to hold her hair and is a great way to carry a six inches razor-sharp blade, and it is legal. Fo you guys who are interested in what we uses here for everyday self-defense. The current favourites are either a kerambit made from cock fighting spur welded to a ring or small rod and held between the finger or those made from scissors; take a scissors (the type used by your hairdresser), remove half of it and sharpen the edge. Tuck the ponted side into the waist of your pant with the ring exposed. Draw it by putting your thumb through the hole. If you go to the northern state of Kelantan in Malaysia, they uses a small axe called "Kapok Kecik". Looked something like Frank Bram's closed Gunting folder. In fact, some school of silat specialised in it. Sincerely, S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my > >>What I am looking for is something light and easy to conceal. I am >>thinking of a very sharp, menacing fixed blade which can be fastened to >>her waist horizontally and concealed. >> >> > >Hi Wee, > >How about a Kerambit? Made for use by women, esp in your part of the world... > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:51:03 +0800 From: "S. H. Wee" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Carry - Smuggled From Borneo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thriving. S. H. Wee > Subject: > Re: [Eskrima] Re: Concealed Knife Carry > From: > jay de leon > Date: > Mon, 2 Jan 2006 21:38:36 -0800 (PST) > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > To: > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >Many years ago, when I lived in Mindanao, and I asked where certain things came from, they would sometimes reply, "smuggled from Borneo." > > Do you know if this clandestine trade still goes on? > > Jay de Leon --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:46:38 -0800 (PST) From: ronin ortega Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mel Lopez ? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings! He still teaches a select few in the Fremont area. Please refer your friend to their website at http://villabrillelargusakali.com/ Peace and good health to everybody here... Aldrin Ortega Ray wrote: I have a friend that would like to contact Tuhan Mel Lopez about Villabrille/Largusa Kali. Is he still actively teaching in the Fremont, Calif area? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest