Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:01:50 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #23 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Curved stick (Ollie Batts) 2. Logic of Steel (Marc MacYoung) 3. Roger Agbulos Seminar (Michael Macro) 4. Re: Logic of Steel (Dave Wong) 5. Re: Why silat is loging appeal (iPat) 6. Re: Curved stick (iPat) 7. Re: Curved Sticks (Todd Ellner) 8. Re: Why is silat losing appeal? (Todd Ellner) 9. Re: Curved Sticks... (Andrew Astle) 10. Re: Re: Curved Sticks (Scorpz911@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:11:01 +0000 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Curved stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Isn't that a walking stick? ;o) From: "Lance Cross" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:50:57 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Curved Sticks... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All, I saw some guys practicing Escrima with sticks that were curved near the end, is there an advantage to the shape, like in hockey? -Lance Cross --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:15:55 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Logic of Steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I wonder what you guys think about the book "Logic Of Steel". You found > the incidents --- oh, two of them related to Animal -- quoted believable? > Similar to some of experiences of your own? The author's advice? Ummmm... Logic of Steel? Incidents "related" to me? What are you talking about? > Here should be a good piece of advice on running (page 213): > "Run toward the nearest hospital, especially if you have been cut" > Hmm...I don't recall Animal mentions that in his book "Street E&E". But it > was long time ago I read that so... ;-) Well, getting yourself or a buddy to a hospital if you've been wounded is just common sense. But making it your default destination? Ayyyyeeeee dunno 'bout that. And running long distances while cut? That makes you bleed out faster. Now not going into too much detail, but we used to make it a habit -- if the guy wasn't wounded too badly -- to make the drive to a hospital that wasn't near the incident location. Certain things have to be reported to the police and you gave them a story and a location that was even farther away. They in turn gave you the hairy eyeball as you explain how your friend slipped and fell...yeah that's the ticket...he fell....the wound? Oh there was some broken glass and.... M --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael Macro" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:08:34 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Roger Agbulos Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray, Happy new year mate, Althought I am not vocal on this site I do read a majority of the articles people write. I was wondering if you could inform the readers about another seminar by Guro Roger Agbulos: Saturday, 28th January, 2006 /10am to 2pm Pre-Registration: $60.00 Walk-in: $75.00 Tong Louie Family YMCA 14988 57 Avenue, Surrey, BC V3S 7S6 If thre are any questions please contact me www.eclecticdefensegroup.com Thank you for your support in this matter Kind regards M _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:08:33 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Wong Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Logic of Steel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc MacYoung wrote:[snip] Ummmm... Logic of Steel? Incidents "related" to me? What are you talking about? Ooops! I think my memory once again failed me. I flipped through the book again nd found only one. My apologies for the mistake. As for the incident, here goes (The Logic Of Steel page 160): "Alain was working security with Marc 'Animal' MacYoung...at a club in California. They were intervening in a sidewalk dispute (that had something to do with a parked car) between a civilized customer and an obnoxious drunk. The drunk had the other man's shirt in a death grip and could not be made to let go. As Alain was restraining the two to the extent possible, Marc pulled his knife and asked the innocent customer if it was OK to cut his shirt. The guy answered in the affirmative....Marc proceeded to cut him out of his shirt." The author, James LaFond, continues: "This incident absolutely fascinates me...The knife used as the jaws of life' for freeing entangled brawling victims? What a cool idea." The Alain above is Alain Burrese, author of Hard Won Wisdom from the School of Hard Knocks. LaFond got this incident from Alain. > Here should be a good piece of advice on running (page 213): > "Run toward the nearest hospital, especially if you have been cut" > Hmm...I don't recall Animal mentions that in his book "Street E&E". But it > was long time ago I read that so... ;-) Well, getting yourself or a buddy to a hospital if you've been wounded is just common sense. But making it your default destination? Ayyyyeeeee dunno That might relates to another thing he says on running away (page 213): "Focus on an ultimate distination. Don't just run around." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:36:50 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Why silat is loging appeal Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ive just returned from the south of England where i participated on a seminar conducted by Guro Inosanto. The majority of the subject matter was silat, including the use of the sarong/malong(sp), and it was absolutely terrific! Having said that we didnt spend time working the forms which may - at a guess - be one of the reasons for the lack of popularity against the apparently more obvious combativeness of the arts aforementioned. In my younger days the delights of a thai roundhouse kick was more enticing that the somewhat esoteric Silat movements, but i'm seeing the errors of my judgements as time ticks by! ; ) On 1/22/06, Ray Terry wrote: > Study why silat is losing appeal > Malaysia -- Pat For the discovery of truth there is no path… --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:38:22 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Curved stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sounds like it! Doesn't Rick Faye not have a tape on the walking stick? On 1/22/06, Ollie Batts wrote: > Isn't that a walking stick? ;o) > > -- Pat For the discovery of truth there is no path… --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:52:04 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Curved Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mike writes: >The only place I've seen this type of stick is with Pak Vic de Thouars >and he said they were developed in Soempat Silat. It does provide >some interesting methods of leverage. For instance, if you put the apex >of the concave portion of the bend against someone's neck in a choke >then rotate the stick it applies the choke with automatically with even less >effort than it takes with a straight stick. They're not that common, but they've been around for a long time. Curved sticks have been part of Kalaripayitt training for centuries if not millennia. I've seen other teachers such as Dave Minden use them as training aids about fifteen years ago. If it comes to that many cultures - Pacific Island, Native American, Australian to name a few - use curved clubs. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:55:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Why is silat losing appeal? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Prof Muhammad noted that other martial arts such as taekwondo and judo >had gained international following. >"There must be something extra in the other martial arts that have >gained the attention of the international community. We must look into >all aspects to make sure silat gains popularity," he added. Why is it losing popularity in Malaysia? Same reason native martial arts in India, the US and many other places have. If it comes from somewhere else it's exotic and interesting. Add in the decades of publicity, adoption by various armed forces, movies, marketing by the Japanese and Korean governments. You get the picture. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:29:40 -0500 From: Andrew Astle To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Curved Sticks... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lance Cross wrote: >All, > >I saw some guys practicing Escrima with sticks that were curved near the end, >is there an advantage to the shape, like in hockey? > -Lance Cross >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > Mr Mike Casto is right about what he replied with. Pak Victor learned the art of Pentjak Silat Soempat from his childhood Serak teacher, Pak Tisari Mardjoeki.(Soempat quite literally means "I swear I will kill you!" Pak Tisari had lost a competition to a Filipino and created the art to go on to beat the Filipino the following year) If you are interested, Pak Vic reluctantly produced 3 video tapes about this very rare art. They have just now become available on his website; I got the first one in the series and its excellent. The sticks are roughly 30" in length and the curve is not as severe as a cane. I was given a pair of Tongkat Soempat that were hand made by Pak Victor, which I treasure. There is a great deal of wonderful technique in this ferocious art! Guro Andrew Astle --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Scorpz911@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:56:19 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Curved Sticks To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Curved like this? www.canemasters.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest