Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:01:10 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #24 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Logic of Steel (bgdebuque) 2. Re: Re: Logic of Steel (iPat) 3. Curved Sticks... (Lance Cross) 4. Re: Re: Logic of Steel (Ray) 5. Re: UFC Gracie and Hughes (Jared Dame) 6. re Logic of steel (Marc MacYoung) 7. Bent Sticks and Hospital Trips (buz_ed_alias@mac.com) 8. Running away (Michael Koblic) 9. Dog Brothers Gathering Fotos (Marc Denny) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:42:25 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Logic of Steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have personally interviewed at least 3 survivors of knifed-from-behind incidents ('kursunada" in Philippine street lingo). All of them believed at first that they were punched... A commonly used impact weapon in the Philippines is a 12-ounce unopened bottle of softdrink. Given a choice, Coke would be the best choice because, according to bottling plant oldtimers, its bottle design has a reputation of being much more impact resistant. > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:52:06 -0800 (PST) > From: Dave Wong > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] The Logic Of Steel > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hi all: > > I wonder what you guys think about the book "Logic Of Steel". You found > the incidents --- oh, two of them related to Animal -- quoted believable? > Similar to some of experiences of your own? The author's advice? > > From "Logic of Steel", page 166: > > "The blade is often unseen and unfelt" > > After the author relates an incident in which the defender managed to > seriously wounded two of his attackers with multiple stabs but didn't alter > the course of the altercation at all. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:31:50 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Logic of Steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net in my research i came accross many accounts where people traded punches unaware they were being cut. Once they saw that they were cut the body tends to go into shock to protect itself. Dennis Martin used to cover this a lot in Terry O'Neils Fighting Arts magazine. A friend of mine was continuing a fight while being dragged by someone. When eventually the message came through to him that he was heavily bleeding he passed out and only came to in the recovery room in A&E. So if in the previous examples of cutting an assailant to no effect, try simply to make them aware that they are cut and bleeding and hopefully mother natures design will kick into action and close their system down. Time to get medical aid..... On 1/23/06, bgdebuque wrote: > > I have personally interviewed at least 3 survivors of knifed-from-behind > incidents ('kursunada" in Philippine street lingo). All of them believed > at > first that they were punched... > > A commonly used impact weapon in the Philippines is a 12-ounce unopened > bottle of softdrink. Given a choice, Coke would be the best choice > because, > according to bottling plant oldtimers, its bottle design has a reputation > of > being much more impact resistant. > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:52:06 -0800 (PST) > > From: Dave Wong > > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Subject: [Eskrima] The Logic Of Steel > > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > > Hi all: > > > > I wonder what you guys think about the book "Logic Of Steel". You found > > the incidents --- oh, two of them related to Animal -- quoted > believable? > > Similar to some of experiences of your own? The author's advice? > > > > From "Logic of Steel", page 166: > > > > "The blade is often unseen and unfelt" > > > > After the author relates an incident in which the defender managed to > > seriously wounded two of his attackers with multiple stabs but didn't > alter > > the course of the altercation at all. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Pat For the discovery of truth there is no path… --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Lance Cross" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:50:07 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Curved Sticks... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All, The sticks I saw were Soempat like sticks. However I thought it looked like regular stick methods, just the the curve was used to "tapi" the other stick. With the curve it looked like it caused a different reaction in the opponent's retraction of the strike, as well it looked like the "defender" rode the other stick a bit more. Do not know how proficient these people were, it looked like a simple "abecedario" drill. The bend was similar to a hockey stick, meaning the stick was mostly straight with a sudden angle change. (apparently looked like someone may have steam bent a stick forcefully about the last foot, they seemed more angular than curved, but did have some curve too.) Thanks to all who responded. It tweaked my interest a bit. -Lance Cross --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Logic of Steel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:04:29 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > in my research i came accross many accounts where people traded punches > unaware they were being cut. Once they saw that they were cut the body tends > to go into shock to protect itself. Dennis Martin used to cover this a lot > in Terry O'Neils Fighting Arts magazine. See the old videotape Surviving Edged Weapons from Calibre Press. All this info is fully discussed there. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:15:47 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC Gracie and Hughes Cc: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gracie might just give Hughes a run for the money, but if I were a betting man I would say Hughes is going to tee off. Although I just want to say that the difference in personality between the two fighters is huge! Gracie is a genuine nice guy that I wouldn't mind being around in social settings, Hughes on the other hand looks and acts like a total ass. Now in a street fighting situation I might want to partner up with Hughes in order to keep myself alive. J On 1/20/06, Thomas Gordon wrote: > > I'm pretty excited about Royce Gracie and Matt Hughes. Any predictions? > With the new rules and age difference, I think Hughes is a favorite. > > http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=2098 > > Thomas Gordon > Florida > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] re Logic of steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dave Wong wrote > The drunk had the other man's shirt in a death grip and could not be made > to let go. As Alain was restraining the two to the extent possible, Marc > pulled his knife and asked the innocent customer if it was OK to cut his > shirt. The guy answered in the affirmative....Marc proceeded to cut him > out of his shirt." > The author, James LaFond, continues: > "This incident absolutely fascinates me...The knife used as the jaws of > life' for freeing entangled brawling victims? What a cool idea." It wasn't all that special. And the guy whose shirt I cut wasn't brawling. The drunk had confronted them as they pulled up in front of the business and then assaulted them. They really were innocent victims of an aggressive drunk. I was just trying to do something so he and his friend could bail out before the cops came. Cutting the shirt was the best I could think of in the time availible. They took my advice and split while Alain and I covered their retreat. When the cops showed up, it looked like two on one and that we were the aggressors for all of about three minutes. We were polite and professional saying that he had assaulted a couple of customers and all we had done was to stop him. After about three minutes of him screaming profanities and threatening to kick ours AND the cops asses, they told Alain and I to go back inside. We leaned out the window smiling and waving as the guy was carted off to jail. We giggled and joked about the guy's intelligence for the rest of the night. > That might relates to another thing he says on running away (page 213): > > "Focus on an ultimate distination. Don't just run around." As my friend Micheal "Mama Duck" Johnson says "Don't run from danger. Run to safety" Or as dearly departed Bob Abernathe summed it up so well "Head to the lights and the noise" M --__--__-- Message: 7 From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:57:56 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bent Sticks and Hospital Trips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If memory serve Pak Vic had an article about curved sticks in Black Belt within the past two years. As I recall, he stated that, all things being equal, when curved stick meets straight stick, curved stick will win. The sticks in the article were curved more like a tire iron, though less acute (perhaps 25 degrees rather than 45), than a cane. I've played with canes a little and find it's pretty easy to cause a partner to miscalculate by throwing a couple blows with the straight end of the stick and then coming at them with the hook. They tend to respond like they had to the previous attacks, often allowing you to smack 'em with the broader hook end. As for hospital trips, I've been on both sides of that one. It wasn't that long ago in the US that medical care was hours away for most the population, and it's still the case today in many instances. While caving I've been injured, and have known others who've been injured, in places where self-rescue was the only viable option. I've also patched up various folks who don't want formal attention, most notably a young lady who dropped a dirt bike on gravel wearing sandals, shorts, and a halter. A future Darwin award candidate, she'd been snorting smack and drinking before she wrecked and didn't want to risk arrest at the hospital. Think in More Guns, Less Crime John Lott made a strong argument that many felons injured during defensive firearm use don't seek formal medical treatment as most gun and knife wounds are reported to the police. Bottom line is that there is a lot of literature out there suggesting people can be injured horrifically, manage to keep chugging along, and sometimes recover without formal medical intervention. Animal writes about ER handoffs: > They in turn gave you the hairy eyeball as you explain how your > friend slipped and fell...yeah that's the ticket...he fell....the > wound? Oh there was some broken glass and.... Flip side of that is back in my hotline days we'd advise the wrist slitters to tell the hospital that they'd encountered a broken glass while washing dishes. That excuse was the "dog ate my homework" of suicide intervention circles; anyone saying that was sure to get s psych consult, though the slitters didn't know it. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:01:46 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Running away Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ""Focus on an ultimate distination. Don't just run around." In a recent book an ex-mamber of the SAS states (and I paraphrase): "When trying to escape, do not run in a straight line, make as many turns as possible." I submit that the whole thing depends on where you are, who you are with, whether you know where you are and how close up your ass the bad guys are... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, B. C. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Dog Brothers Gathering Fotos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: 162 fotos from our "Dog Brothers Fall Gathering of the Pack" are up at http://www.dogbrothers.com/gallery/Nov05 The Adventure continues, Crafty Dog --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest