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(barry meadows) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:21:30 +0000 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Okapi, Clasp or Ratchet knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Click on the following for some good pics of this type of knife: http://www.talkblade.info//viewtopic.php?p=73070&sid=b7221fdb31e3116577cce63 18423075b Possibly first developed in Germany. The clasp-action being designed so that the knife opens with a flick of the wrist. The action is mimicked by rappers and suchlike, many of whom may not even know where the action comes from. Pugil --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:23:50 +0000 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Okapi, Clasp or Ratchet knife 2 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From the album "Labour Of Love" Walking down the road With a pistol in your waist Johnny you`re too bad Walking down the road With a ratchet in your waist Johhny you`re too bad Pugil --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:32:09 +0000 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Okapi, Clasp or Ratchet knife 3 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Joker have a large model listed as: 'Joker Huge Rosewood & Brass Clasp Knife - NR31' Go to: http://www.worldknives.com/product.asp?produid=199&manuid=15 Pugil --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:54:39 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Okapi knives, SA, early knife experiences Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Interestingly, an Okapi hunting knife (and its local clones) also used to be the knife of choice in the Philippine Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. I didn't know that the factory has moved to South Africa. I heard that there is also a big Javanese Malay community in SA. I think former Indonesian Pres. Suaharto even donated to them a mosque sometime in the mid-90s. There must be a few Pencak Silat practitioners in SA. The youngest knife-vs-knife confrontation I can think of back in the Philippines is a group of 4 First Graders (aged 6 or 7) who tried to gang-up on a multi-repeat Second Grader (aged 9 or 10) who is much bigger than them. The First Graders were all armed with nailcutter folding knives which normally have blades of 2 inches or less. Seeing that his advantage in size has been "equalized" by the First Graders, the Second Grader decided to draw his own "carry" - a bread knife with a 4-inch blade. Seeing that the Second Grader has a longer and bigger blade, the First Graders fled. > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:03:29 +0000 (GMT) > From: Bandile Dlabantu > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #27 - most likely attack? > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hi Guys > > I'm finding the most likely attack post by Marc and Daniel quite > interesting. People who routinelly use knives are African or Coloured ( > Cape Malay, Mixed descent) especially in the Cape area. Everyone learn how > to knife fight through drills learnt in childhood, at through watching > people getting stabbed. It's a matter of know how to use a knife or be its > victim. Knife fighting is normally called Ghonni, Piper or Melha depending > on what comunity one comes from. The knife of choice is an Okapi 1907E ( --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:29:55 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Most likely attack Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In the streets of the Philippines, the most dangerous type of attack is the "kursunada" (which literally means to have developed a preference for someone). This means that you have been singled-out for attack for probably the most mundane of reasons (e.g. the attackers attention was attracted by your hairstyle, the color of your shoes, the way you walk, etc.). I only know of only one effective of deterrence against this type of attack and that is not to let anyone get near you within knifing distance. If anyone tries to subtly get near you, walk away to maintain the distance. If anyone aggressively closes in on you, run. Normally, a would-be attacker would use the ruses of asking for the time, asking for a light, or asking for directions. To avoid these situations, do not wear a wristwatch, do not smoke, and answer any question for directions beyond knifing distance with the standard response: "I am not from the area." >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:45:40 -0800 (PST) >From: Daniel Arola >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] most likely attack? >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >The most likely attack with knives that I have seen throughout the world is almost no different than >the classic "sucker-punch". The attacks come out as a surprise, because once one is determined >to slice you, it will be in the moment when one least expects it to take place. As for >"Mexicans"(or any other of Hispanic origin) with knives, you never see them just pull out a blade >right there in front of you to scare you. If they want to cut you, they're gonna sneak it on you. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:46:52 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lunar New Year/ CNY Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 05:33 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote: >To all Escrimadors: > >Sun Lin Fie Low > >Gong Hey Fat Choi > >Happy CNY/Lunar NY and May the coming year be healthy, happy and >prosperous for you. > >Best Regards, > >Peter Gow > >Australia Thanks; the same to you. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:08:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] A festival for all Filipinos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/29/ln/FP601290343.html/?print=on Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:30:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Re: most likely attack? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Marc said something about taking off hats before attacking, over here > a person would take off a jersey or jacket and wrap it around one arm > creating a sort of shield after that it is on. I've also heard that you should take off your shoes and use them as a cover for your hands so you can block/deflect the blade w/o getting cut (as much). One real serious problem with suggestions like that... YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:20:58 +1100 From: ASC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: most likely attack? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net yes u do.. j/k.. ask the offender to wait until you take your shoes off and explain to them that you need the shoes off so you can wear them on your hands for defending yourself.. sorry.. too tempting not respond.. hehehehe Ray wrote: >> Marc said something about taking off hats before attacking, over here >>a person would take off a jersey or jacket and wrap it around one arm >>creating a sort of shield after that it is on. >> >> > >I've also heard that you should take off your shoes and use them as a cover >for your hands so you can block/deflect the blade w/o getting cut (as much). > >One real serious problem with suggestions like that... YOU DON'T HAVE THAT >MUCH TIME. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: most likely attack? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:44:26 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Another is your belt if you have one.It can be quite effective. Donwside is you may expose yourself if you pants fall...lol Barry >From: ASC >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: most likely attack? >Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:20:58 +1100 > >yes u do.. j/k.. ask the offender to wait until you take your shoes off >and explain to them that you need the shoes off so you can wear them on >your hands for defending yourself.. > >sorry.. too tempting not respond.. hehehehe > >Ray wrote: > > >> Marc said something about taking off hats before attacking, over here > >>a person would take off a jersey or jacket and wrap it around one arm > >>creating a sort of shield after that it is on. > >> > >> > > > >I've also heard that you should take off your shoes and use them as a >cover > >for your hands so you can block/deflect the blade w/o getting cut (as >much). > > > >One real serious problem with suggestions like that... YOU DON'T HAVE >THAT > >MUCH TIME. > > > >Ray Terry > >rterry@idiom.com > >_______________________________________________ > >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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