Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:02:10 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #32 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Curved Sticks... (marko.ronkainen@nokia.com) 2. S.A kniffings ( stekkery) (Bandile Dlabantu) 3. Opening the knife (Bandile Dlabantu) 4. Re: First Grade Second Grader (bgdebuque) 5. Re: Okapi or Ratchet Knife (bgdebuque) 6. Clasp knife mods... (B Katz) 7. Delmar Hawaiin guava creations (Alex Ercia) 8. Rope a dope knife fight (Marc MacYoung) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Curved Sticks... Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:52:59 +0200 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >All, > >The sticks I saw were Soempat like sticks. However I thought >it looked like regular stick methods, just the the curve was >used to "tapi" the other stick. >With the curve it looked like it caused a different reaction >in the opponent's retraction of the strike, as well it looked >like the "defender" rode the other stick a bit more. Do not >know how proficient these people were, it looked like a simple >"abecedario" drill. > >The bend was similar to a hockey stick, meaning the stick was >mostly straight with a sudden angle change. (apparently >looked like someone may have steam bent a stick forcefully >about the last foot, they seemed more angular than curved, but >did have some curve too.) > >Thanks to all who responded. It tweaked my interest a bit. > > -Lance Cross Here's a pic, if somebody is still wandering what they look like: http://www.crowsmartialarts.com/images/photos/Pak%20&%20Ray%20Soempat.jp g - Marko --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:59:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Bandile Dlabantu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] S.A kniffings ( stekkery) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Crafty Grips, The blade use is dependent on a flexible wrist. The point is almost always carried point down with the cutting edge towards the weilder. For a bigger blade it can be taken point up. This makes the blade easier to conceal and strike out with. Also there is a prefference for sharp pointed blades as they offer better penetration. Jamaican Okapi use: Well the reasons okapi's are quite used hereis simply because they are cheap and easily available. In the Eastern Cape boys often get their first knife from their father after tribal initiations. Also it is expected for a young man to be able to use it for slaughtering animals and stuff ( great lesson in anatomy but not good for the Karma though) I think the fact that it is cheap may be the reason people use it in jamaica. I also saw one being shown in a reggae video by one of Bob Marley's sons I think. I have one I got from my uncle ( 907E) when I turned 18 I love those blades I own four . The company is originally from Germany they moved their production to S.A because of cheap labour, huge market share and availability of materials. About special tactics I'll try and get a some clips of regular ( non martial arts guys drilling knife work. The key to S.A knife fighting is evasions and distractions and clear intent. The speed of drawing is also important and the conversational trickery is a part of it especially when used for robbing. To really see the sickening reality of piper is to observe people using it with an intent to kill. "interesting stuff. Although I remain skeptical of the idea that "conventional" martial arts practitioners of FMA etc. would always get eaten up byPiper. There are no superior arts; what matters is the skill of the individuals involved. " I was skeptical until I had to get stiches for my wounds. To really see the reality of street knife fighting one should forget ab't martial arts it not a martial art it is a guy using a knife to rip your guts out. That is way different from any dojo I have ever been in. Question when is the last time you killed a guy with your knife, or better yet when have you had someone coming at you with a live blade with an intent to stab and kill you? In S.A almost everyday people are faced with that reality and thinking like a martial artist will get one killed. I know piper works because I have seen it work, I have not seen a FMA having to parry dodge and retaliate from a guy trying to puncture him. At any betting game I'll put my bet on the piper guy. By the way I am not a Piper person or expert, just one who know what it feels and looks like to get stabbed. Most Piper expects are mostly in jail and the guys who were second best are dead. Bandile --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:24:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Bandile Dlabantu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Opening the knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The blade is carried closed and is only opened when it will be used. For the 907E they have a locking system so are not so popular because they are slow and tedious to open. The 1979 range can be opened with with a flick of the hand. Guys even file the locking system and loosen the knife for an easy draw. The knives cost R20 about $3 so damaging one is not such a loss. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I guess most knife stories have tragic endings... > > Message: 4 > From: "Peter Gow" > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:55:20 +0000 > Subject: [Eskrima] First Grade Second Grader > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > bgdebuque, > > "Seeing that the Second Grader has a longer and bigger blade, > > the First Graders fled." Excellent very comical - Sounds like > > something straight out of the keystone cops.;-) I will get a > > lot of miles out of this one. > > Galang, > > Peter Gow > > Australia --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:17:25 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Okapi or Ratchet Knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The knife looks like a modern-day copy of the Sevillana. The multi-racheted Navaja from the Seville region of Spain. I think the best ones are still the ones made in Seville. Might be priced in the $150 and above range though. > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:12 -0800 (PST) > From: noirpalm > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] okapi or ratchet knife > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Ollie thanks for the posts and link , the 907E is the preferred one > with the key ring attachment. Like I said except for the one I bought for my > friend all the ones I have seen were low quality I never paid attention to > who made them. When I get a chance I'll look at a few to see who the > manufacturer was. > > > > To: > Subject: [Eskrima] Okapi, Clasp or Ratchet knife > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Click on the following for some good pics of this type of knife: > > > http://www.talkblade.info//viewtopic.php?p=73070&sid=b7221fdb31e3116577cce63 > 18423075b > > Possibly first developed in Germany. The clasp-action being designed so > that > the knife opens with a flick of the wrist. The action is mimicked by > rappers > and suchlike, many of whom may not even know where the action comes from. > > Pugil > > d --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Clasp knife mods... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My sister-in-law is a cop in Bermuda, seems that this is also the preferred knife for street combat there also. She said that they are often referred to as "flick knives", as the action used to open them is just a snapping motion of the wrist. However, she did also say that more than once she has seen them with small pieces of matchstick tucked into the butt end of the handle. this lifts the tip of the blade out just a bit allowing for a "wave" type opening technique, (snagging the tip of the blade on the rear edge of the pocket). Cheers, Brandon --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:22:40 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Delmar Hawaiin guava creations Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was in the bahala na website and found these nice wooden training weapons called Delmar Hawaiin guava creations. Does anyone know if these are still available for purchase? Thanks. Alex-ARMAS --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:28:48 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Rope a dope knife fight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is humor http://www.theonion.com/content/node/44438 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest