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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: have you ever killed question (Manny California) 2. Re: have you ever killed question (Manny California) 3. Re: Piper vs Piper Systems (Ray) 4. Re: Piper (Van Harn, Steve) 5. Gun in Australia (Peter Gow) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:01:15 -0800 (PST) From: Manny California Subject: Re: [Eskrima] have you ever killed question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yes, I have. In Vietnam as a Marine. The first time I went into shock after it was all over...I still see his face... Bandile Dlabantu wrote: Me personally? Never, on both counts. But our Filipino martial arts predecessors did, many many times. And left us a legacy of what works and what doesn't, based on their practical experience. Thanx for this most honest reply. The reality is when the hit is on instinct shifts in and you revert to what is natural to you. After many years of weak fighting stratergy what is natural can result in your death. Just a couple of stories one by a friend and training partner at varsity. A middle class young man and martial artist from Zimbabwe I asked him a question " What would you do if someone pulled a knife on you" his reply was "I'd do something unpredictable" another guy jumped in saying "yeah as unpredictable as shitting your pants". Second story was when I was learning from granddad. He was showing me various ways of attacking the head triping and incapacitating a stickfighting oponnent. One of his childhood friends was there and they were talking about what they used to get up to and showing scars. They used to have full contact stickfighting hitting each other in the head with knobkiries . They didn't care much about getting killed or serious injury. I would be stupid to try that nowadays because guys die from stickfighting The world they lived in was different thine mine. They had to fight many many times and hence developed many interesting methods and approaches to fighting that got passed on to me living me a legacy. He had interesting ways of dealing with various weapons from axes, machetes and knives and they worked for him. So having said that he left me with a simple message, to never take his experiences as my own, instead to get my own. What I experience now is more important than when he did sixty years ago. Bandile --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:56:11 -0800 (PST) From: Manny California Subject: Re: [Eskrima] have you ever killed question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Looking for information...are there any Escrima schools in Cebu City or Naga Town? What styles or systems are taught? Bandile Dlabantu wrote: Me personally? Never, on both counts. But our Filipino martial arts predecessors did, many many times. And left us a legacy of what works and what doesn't, based on their practical experience. Thanx for this most honest reply. The reality is when the hit is on instinct shifts in and you revert to what is natural to you. After many years of weak fighting stratergy what is natural can result in your death. Just a couple of stories one by a friend and training partner at varsity. A middle class young man and martial artist from Zimbabwe I asked him a question " What would you do if someone pulled a knife on you" his reply was "I'd do something unpredictable" another guy jumped in saying "yeah as unpredictable as shitting your pants". Second story was when I was learning from granddad. He was showing me various ways of attacking the head triping and incapacitating a stickfighting oponnent. One of his childhood friends was there and they were talking about what they used to get up to and showing scars. They used to have full contact stickfighting hitting each other in the head with knobkiries . They didn't care much about getting killed or serious injury. I would be stupid to try that nowadays because guys die from stickfighting The world they lived in was different thine mine. They had to fight many many times and hence developed many interesting methods and approaches to fighting that got passed on to me living me a legacy. He had interesting ways of dealing with various weapons from axes, machetes and knives and they worked for him. So having said that he left me with a simple message, to never take his experiences as my own, instead to get my own. What I experience now is more important than when he did sixty years ago. Bandile --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Piper vs Piper Systems To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:31:35 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Please hear me correctly when I say I know Piper works I don't mean Nigel > February's Piper Systems what I mean is Piper as practised in the townships. > > Piper is one of the tsotsi taal (prison ganster slang) terms used in prison > to describe a method of stabbing. Yes, thanks for that clarification. It was the latter which I was contacted about a few years ago, not Nigel's formalized Piper System. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:11:29 -0600 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Piper Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding Piper, for those who would like additional material to read, my good friend Mushtaq Ali of Silat Zulfikari has written about it in the past in his blog. http://tracelesswarrior.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_tracelesswarrior_archive .html#113042702127133068 http://tracelesswarrior.blogspot.com/2004/12/legacy-of-umslopogas.html He had the opportunity to train in Tanzania with two brothers from Cape Town who moved there for a better life. We also played with it a bit at our fall Gathering in October. Just enough so I can follow along with what Bandile is writing and describing so well. Scroll down to Oct 18 and you can see versions of the trainer used. The picking motion we used was also of a flavor that took gouges out of the opponents shoulder and chest. Upon striking, the hand is curled inward or outward to carve the flesh. Additionally it was related that many criminals merely used sharpened rebar, ect. Anything cheap that could take a point and be thrown away if needed. There has also been considerable discussion on Gabe Suarez's forum http://warriortalk.com/ or the thread http://warriortalk.com/showthread.php?t=8801 Steve --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:05:52 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Gun in Australia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Michael, You are absolutely correct regarding the making of knives. To make a knive all one needs is a steel ruler, a wood file, chainsaw bar or to go to any car wreckers to obtain spring-leavers and the list goes on and on. Regarding the increase in gun crime here - yes you are right again. Whilst the gun laws here are quiet strict and they have had handbacks in exchange for money the laws are only obeyed by law abidding citizens and therefore there is no control or effect on illegal weapons. One very topical issue that has arissen is that in the tasmanian shootings one of the rifles used was traced back to the buy back plan held by the victorian govt. The buy back plan was held by the victorian police. The rifle used in the tasmanian shooting was purchased from a tasmanian gun dealer. For those of you who don't know Australia, tasmania is an island off the south coast, it takes an overnight ferry trip or a one hour flight to get there. Anyway the authorities here had the impression that criminals break into peoples' houses and gun clubs to get guns. Whilst this does occur on a very, very, very, small scale it does not take into account the number of weapons that were not registered. Many years ago the police used to have firearm auctions where people could buy rifles and pistols with the receipt often being made out for the amount and the item but did not include the buyers name. At that point in time rifles and pistols were not required to be registered with the police TTBOMK(to the best of my knowledge). Later on the authorities became stricter especially under the influence of one green politician in New South Wales who believes that only the authorities should have weapons. The statistics used were countered by the SSSA- Sports Shooters of Australia with the correct statistics which are available to the public from a the relevant government depts. But as the media hype had already been generated in the state governments the people who govern made a decision without consulting the general public and the decision was made. There are now whispers that there is now a movement by the current goverment to do a slight reversal as with the possibilities of a terrorist attack they now consider that the people in gun clubs whilst not being in the military will have at least some idea of what to shoot at should they ever be needed. Of course anyone with the knowledge of how to use a milling lathe........ Anyway as most readers will know shotguns are probably one of the hardest guns to trace in a crime scene.....Do the authorities take the reasonable action and do this  mmm.... Anyway democracy is a strange creature it started in Athens where women had no rights and yet in Sparta the military state women were treated as equals often running the businesses etc. whilst the men trained mmmm..... Hope that helps. Galang, Peter Gow Australia   --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest