Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:01:20 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #58 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Legends of Balikatan (dmarcaid@rochester.rr.com) 2. knife fighting (jason couture) 3. Re: knife fighting (Dave Wong) 4. Re: knife fighting (Steve Kohn) 5. Re: knife fighting (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:29:17 -0500 From: dmarcaid@rochester.rr.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Legends of Balikatan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A Joint seminar featuring the heads of their respective systems GrandTuhon Leo Gaje Jr. Pekiti Tirsia Kali system amd Master Guro Jun De Leon of Kali De Leon . Both men have taught and trained side by side during the Balikatan joint U.S. and Philippine Marine Forces training exercises in the Philippines , This is an opportunity to see both systems and see the quality of application and delivery of Kali techniques by the Masters themselves. Such Military tactics featuring Edged Impact Control Dynamics and portions of the Gun Seguidas with gun retention, protection and CQC disarming will be taught . April 29, 2006 in Rochester New York . 9 to 5 pm $90 if you pre register or $120 at the door April 30th , 2006 is reserved for Private session and reservations are required. For More inromation please contact Doug Marcaida or dmarcaid@rochester.rr.com , 585 342 0810 or visit www.rochesterkali.com featuring a video clip of both men in action. mabuhay! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] knife fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I kind of have to agree with the guy who said on the last post that knife fighting isn't worth learning unless you're military or police. Bottom line is if you use ANY weapon on another human being and they don't have a weapon, your chances of becoming a felon just went up. If they have a weapon and you have a weapon, it's labeled mutual combatants / assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. If at any point during the confrontation you had the opportunity to run and get away but instead chose to stay and fight.......expect to catch some shit from the court system. Yes, everyone has the right to defend him/ herself. The key is to do what is needed to stop the attack long enough for you and your loved ones to exit stage right, call the cops ( yes I am one ) and provide the best victim / witness statement possible. The satisfaction of plunging a blade into a scum bag isn't worth life in jail for me. I've got kids to raise. I still love the FMA and will continue to practice. **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Wong Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would not say knife fighting isn't worth learning. I mean, it really depends on what you're learning it for. If it's just as an hobby, just for fun, and you see it as just another sport - guess that could piss somebody off: "a sport?" - and your playing in that sport makes you...happy...then it could be worth learning, like tennis is worth learning if you like it even though it may not have any actual application in the real world. Let's face it. How many people who practise martial arts actually have to use it on a regular basic in their real life? Some have never even found themselves in a real fight all their life. And some are just like me, trying to live out a fantasy ;-) jason couture wrote: I kind of have to agree with the guy who said on the last post that knife fighting isn't worth learning unless you're military or police. Bottom line is if you use ANY weapon on another human being and they don't have a weapon, your chances of becoming a felon just went up. If they have a weapon and you have a weapon, it's labeled mutual combatants / assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. If at any point during the confrontation you had the opportunity to run and get away but instead chose to stay and fight.......expect to catch some shit from the court system. Yes, everyone has the right to defend him/ herself. The key is to do what is needed to stop the attack long enough for you and your loved ones to exit stage right, call the cops ( yes I am one ) and provide the best victim / witness statement possible. The satisfaction of plunging a blade into a scum bag isn't worth life in jail for me. I've got kids to raise. I still love the FMA and will continue to practice. **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jason, From a legal point of view, I completely agree with you. However, training with a blade brings out certain attributes that other training methods do not. So that's why I continue to train and teach the knife...and always try to make the realities of the weapon and the law clear. Like you, I'm not (and dont want anyone) doing time because I/they gave someone what they deserved. I have to admit though, it always frightens me when I see rookie FMA guys running around with their clip knives in their pockets after 3 weeks of lessons...but that's a whole other conversation. Best, Steve jason couture wrote: I kind of have to agree with the guy who said on the last post that knife fighting isn't worth learning unless you're military or police. Bottom line is if you use ANY weapon on another human being and they don't have a weapon, your chances of becoming a felon just went up. If they have a weapon and you have a weapon, it's labeled mutual combatants / assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. If at any point during the confrontation you had the opportunity to run and get away but instead chose to stay and fight.......expect to catch some shit from the court system. Yes, everyone has the right to defend him/ herself. The key is to do what is needed to stop the attack long enough for you and your loved ones to exit stage right, call the cops ( yes I am one ) and provide the best victim / witness statement possible. The satisfaction of plunging a blade into a scum bag isn't worth life in jail for me. I've got kids to raise. I still love the FMA and will continue to practice. **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net And like most people I know, if you had a choice, you would probably prefer than it stays a fantasy, versus having to use that skill in a life and death situation. Jay de Leon Dave Wong wrote: I would not say knife fighting isn't worth learning. I mean, it really depends on what you're learning it for. If it's just as an hobby, just for fun, and you see it as just another sport - guess that could piss somebody off: "a sport?" - and your playing in that sport makes you...happy...then it could be worth learning, like tennis is worth learning if you like it even though it may not have any actual application in the real world. Let's face it. How many people who practise martial arts actually have to use it on a regular basic in their real life? Some have never even found themselves in a real fight all their life. And some are just like me, trying to live out a fantasy ;-) jason couture wrote: I kind of have to agree with the guy who said on the last post that knife fighting isn't worth learning unless you're military or police. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! 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