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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Knife Fighting (bgdebuque)
   2. Re: knife attack vs. defense (Cecilia Vivaldi)
   3. knife fighting and attributes (Gordon Walker)
   4. modern arnis coming to u.k (michael george)
   5. guilty conscience (noirpalm)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:13:08 -0500
From: bgdebuque <bgdebuque@gmail.com>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knife Fighting
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

 You have made very valid points Todd.

Back in the developing world, there are generally 2 "word-of-mouth" street
strategies to address the points you raised:

1. Always carry 2 weapons - one for personal use; the other one as a
"reserve" just in case your attacker is unarmed

2. Make sure that there will only be one eyewitness testimony during the
legal proceedings - yours!

=[:->]

<Message: 6
<Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:14:03 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
<From: "Todd Ellner" <tellner@cs.pdx.edu>
<To: <eskrima@martialartsresource.net>
<Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife fighting
<Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

<Use a knife on an unarmed person - it doesn't look good for you. Use a
knife
<on an armed attacker and a lot depends on the circumstances.

<Be ready to explain to the judge and jury why you had to do it.

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:00:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Cecilia Vivaldi <vivaldic@yahoo.com>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife attack vs. defense
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

This is not intended to turn into a personal discussion with Jason, but let me put it this way: how would you feel as instructor to know one of your students you said no when he/she asked you to teach them defense techniques against a knife attack was assaulted and then killed on the street even without any resistance?
   
  I agree it is sometimes difficult to know all about a student, but at least you have the chance to ask questions, to know more about them or you have the right to get the guy out of your school if he doesn't fit in. At the very least it's up to anybody to use what they learned in a good or in a wrong way. Teach them the good way. So, if you prefer to run a school with a smaller group of people to have more control, at the same time you might be denying other good people knowing how to deal with a life threatening situation.
   
  Besides that, I wonder how many assailants would go into an MA school to improve their use of a knife. Is it really so difficult to stab or cut somebody with a knife? Do you really need to use a specific technique to kill somebody with an edged weapon? At least our assailants don't. They learn the most basic technique first: to look for the easiest victim they can find in a good place and time and then make their approach intimidating and submitting that poor person. What follows is the knife on your throat or against your chest or stomach. What happens next is just guessing. Some of them have also learned a dead victim will never identify them.
   
  An assailant carrying a weapon is determined to use it against you not only if it's required to take your money away. If I could remember what I've learned to disarm the guy (needing not only technique but luck also) and then would have to stop him using the weapon and technique to avoid killing him, all that training would be worth it.

Quote:
I have never felt right about teaching people how to
slice and dice another person. Don't get me wrong,
it's not because I'm a humanitarian ('cuz I'm not). I
just don't want to be responsible for breeding yet
another scum bag killer w/ a new skill set. Let's not
fool ourselves, (as instructors) we teach people how
to hurt other people. We may label it as defensive
techniques but, once it's taught, it's out of our
hands and our control. What ever your initial
intention was for the technique is now at the disposal
of who ever you taught it to. How well do you REALY
know your student? Do you sit down and learn about
them as a person? Have you ran a criminal background
investigation? More than often an instructor cares
more about the money that student is bringing in more
than his character. I am not without blame for this
myself. I've done it in the past but, never again! 
For this reason it's clear that I will never own a big
school. I'm okay with that. I guess I'm from the old
school of only teaching to family and close friends. 
I do trust the judgement of a few other instructors
out there, too. A very few. Generaly, the ones who
don't give black belts to 12 year old children. Love
it or hate it........there it is.

**JASON COUTURE**

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:47:45 -0700
From: "Gordon Walker" <walkerfma@gmail.com>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [Eskrima] knife fighting and attributes
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

Hi,
Yes, the knife training makes one feel like a "tough" guy, but the tough guy
may dissappear when the blade is for real!!! :)
My two cents relates to the translation of knife fighting skills to
panuntukan and sikaran.
I was training empty hand and I had been at a plateau for a long time. I
might still be there if it weren't for the simple suggestion "Move like your
dealing with a blade."
It made a huge difference to my training and my whole outlook towards the
'separation' of weapons from empty hand skills.
I hardly used destructions before that moment, but they were so clear and
simple to see after that as well.
Regards,
Gord

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:20:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: michael george <michaeltigercaneuk@yahoo.co.uk>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [Eskrima] modern arnis coming to u.k
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

mabuhay all fma fans,
   
  (MARPPIO MODERN ARNIS) 2 day seminar in bedford england
  everyone is welcome to attend this event from student to master.
  teaching the style of modern arnis will be (DR REMY P PRESAS) the son 
of the great Proffessor Remy A Presas (FATHER OF MODERN ARNIS) god rest 
his soul!
   
  this is the first dr remy p presas will be visiting england,
  and a chance to become a area representative for modern arnis in 
(your area)
   
  seminar dates may 5th & 6th of may 2006.
  contact details
  guro michael lorimer george
  07986407244
  or e-mail michaeltigercaneuk@yahoo.co.uk and i will send you the 
seminar flyers.
  or at www.modernarnis.com to down load flyers from web site.
   
  i look forward to meeting lots of new faces and showing dr remy that 
the modern arnis support for his style is alive & kicking in england.
   
  salamat po.
   
  guro michael 

		
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:48:05 -0800 (PST)
From: noirpalm <noirpalm@yahoo.com>
To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [Eskrima] guilty conscience
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

I can understand an instructor not wanting to have a guilty conscience because what they taught  was used to hurt/ kill somebody. However I would imagine the majority of people who get violent and or end up in prison didnt wait to learn x technique before they got violent. 
  1- excessive use of force  unarmed or armed (whether trained or untrained)
  2- choosing your students well ( to prevent a guilty conscience)
  3- realistic knowledege to defend against a knife / edged weapon 
  are 3 seperate things that often get moshed together
   
  in a decent school the more a person trains the more likely they try to AVOID confrontation, a teacher has to promote ethics not just martial skill, 
   
   

		
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