Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:40:20 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #62 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Knife fighting (Bandile Dlabantu) 2. Bakbakan Kali Ilustrisimo Workshop and Testing - Master Rey Galang (Peter Lewis) 3. knife fighting (Stephen Lamade) 4. Re: Re: Knife Fighting not worth Learning (Ray) 5. Island style Tire bag for Eskrima practice (Lawrence, Marc J.) 6. Guro John C. Jacobo seminar (jay de leon) 7. Re: Re: Knife Fighting not worth Learning (RichaCec@aol.com) 8. Re: Re: Knife Fighting not worth Learning (Steve Kohn) 9. KNIFE FIGHTING AND A GOOD POINT, PUN INTENDED. (Gordon Walker) 10. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martial_arts_men_questioned_over_record_=A353m_r aid?= (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:18:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Bandile Dlabantu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Knife fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would have to agree with Jason about learning how to knife fight. It can lead to a lot of legal problems afterwards . Using a knife in self defense is also very different from gym "knife fighting" now one fights with a knife in real life. It is used to threaten, stab or kill. The people that I teach martial arts live in an environment where such a skill will be of little use. What I think is of value especially in blade carrying cultures is to learn how to equate with what is real. Where I grew up for example guys were not interested in fist cuffs a blade or broken bottle always concluded fights ( hence I moved to a nice neighbourhood with security guards as soon as I could afford to). It is now important that if I teach my students self defense I have to get them to understand what it will look like when it goes down. To give them a fantasy solution would mean sending them to their death literaly especially when they get robbed at knife point. The sad thing is that I attended a self defense seminar this weekend where people were taught how to disarm and "fight" with a knife. None of the stuff they were taught would be usefull in real life. The instructor had never been in a fight let alone one with a blade and he kept on qouting, his Guro's exploits in some East Asian Country he has never visited. Thank God I did not have to pay for that class, the students believed him though. Now they are buying really expensive knives to carry around. Today's class I have to introduce local knife fighting techniques to my guys so they don't waste their money and time learning potentially suicidal knife stratergies. I wont teach them how to knife fight though that stuff you learn in dark alleys and seedy sheebeen but DEFINATELY NOT IN MY DOJO Bandile --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Peter Lewis" To: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:10:37 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Bakbakan Kali Ilustrisimo Workshop and Testing - Master Rey Galang Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mabuhay The details of the next Bakbakan UK Workshop and Testing are as follows: Bakbakan Kali Workshop - Kidderminster, England, May 20, 2006 Bakbakan Kali Testing and Certification - May 21, 2006 Contact: Peter Lewis Tel: 07751 704610 email: peter@worcester-eskrima.co.uk Many thanks Peter www.yuli-romo.com www.bakbakan.com www.zubu-kali.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:06 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] knife fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't teach "knife fighting" to students because I'm not a "knife fighter." By the same logic, I'm not a "stick fighter" in the sense that I regularly get into bar fights or street fights etc. with a hardwood stick, or, for that matter, a "sword fighter" or a "gun fighter" either. But I think that one can responsibly teach self-defence with a knife, a stick, a sword, a gun, etc. as long as you pay attention to "red flags" with respect to who you are teaching and make perfectly clear what you are teaching. Even that is no guarantee: the kid who killed the bouncer in NYC recently was by all accounts just an ordinary joe. The next issue of Filipino Martial Arts Digest (www.fmadigest.com) will have examples of various knife systems from various styles. I have an article pending. Best, Steve Lamade --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Knife Fighting not worth Learning To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:58:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Maybe I'm missing something, but the Eskrima Digest strikes me as an > odd place to hold a discussion about whether knife fighting should be > taught. It seems that this is because a big part of Eskrima is being lost, imho, since the focus of some Eskrima styles on the stick instead of the blade. The eskrima I was taught and still teach is about the blade, from day one. So the decision of teaching 'knife fighting' to someone is made as soon as the student walks in the door and signs-up. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:26:44 -0800 From: "Lawrence, Marc J." To: Subject: [Eskrima] Island style Tire bag for Eskrima practice Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > All of Eskrimadors need a way to practice strikes for stick fighting. > Regular kick & punch bags do not work well and are expensive, so one > of my cousin's friend came up with this design. It is called a tire > bag. If you can work with tools and do basic carpentry you can build > your own. You will need six car tires (same size, I used 15 inch) and > six 2X2 or six 2x4 and some bolts and screws and set of 4 casters. > This tire bag is available from KRIM, in Cebu City. Build your base > first 24 X 24 inches as an X shape brace, notch them so they lock. Run > a wood screw to lock them together. Flip this over drill four holes > for the four caster wheels then flip it back. Now from the center of > the X brace measure 7.5 inches and then bolt on your first upright. > Then do the same on the opposite side, then do the other two. It > should look like and X with four fingers sticking out. I recommend > through bolting but if you have to use drywall screws it will work. > Construct another X brace no wider then the tires are. Now install it > at knee level. Make a third X brace at 15 inches and install it about > 12 inches from the top. If you want a finish put on your stain and > varnish and let dry overnight. Mount your first tire on the bottom and > stack the next five up. You will have a Tire bag about five foot 10 > inches tall. Your tire bag is now ready for practice. Two or three > students can practice stick at the same time. It will hold up to > Espada Y Daga, Boken sword and staff also. Only one at a time for edge > weapons. If you are going to keep it out side drill the tires to drain > the water out. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:00:31 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guro John C. Jacobo seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am posting this seminar notice on behalf of my friend and Bakbakan and Tipunan instructor Guro John C. Jacobo. I highly recommend his seminars. Thank you, Jay de Leon Defense Methods-Edge Weapon Awareness & Readiness Seminar with Guro John G. Jacobo May 13, 2006 Although rooted in the FMA, this seminar will offer a less than traditional approach to self preservation tactics against a blade wielding attacker. Based on the simple principles of Clear, Counter and Control along with Gross Motor Skills, attendees will find the effectiveness and learning efficiency of this seminar a true eye opener! Topics: Primer Notes Passing Dynamics Draw Point Disruptions Transitional Controls Failure to Recovery Back Ups Matched & Unmatched Attacks Cost: $60.00 PPD by May 1st! $75.00 Door Date: Saturday May 13, 2006 Time: 2-6pm Location: Bakbakan Martial Arts 95 B Dell Glen Ave. Lodi, NJ 07655 Contact Guro John at bakbakan@aol.com for payment details. Go to www.SWACOM.com for more information about Guro John. Participants are REQUIRED to bring no less than the following safety/training equipment: safety goggles, mouthpiece, cup and training knife. *Additional equipment consideration: BOXING/SAFETY HEADGEAR Note: ALL drills conducted in this seminar are based on impact and/or contact including simulations that will not only hone your skills but strengthen your mindset! --__--__-- Message: 7 From: RichaCec@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:38:22 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Knife Fighting not worth Learning To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Amen brother! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Knife Fighting not worth Learning To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm with you Ray. It's sorta like teaching Tae Kwon Do with no kicks. I'm really curious as to know why no one else finds it disturbing that novice Eskrima students like to carry knives from day one. Weird. -S Ray wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something, but the Eskrima Digest strikes me as an > odd place to hold a discussion about whether knife fighting should be > taught. It seems that this is because a big part of Eskrima is being lost, imho, since the focus of some Eskrima styles on the stick instead of the blade. The eskrima I was taught and still teach is about the blade, from day one. So the decision of teaching 'knife fighting' to someone is made as soon as the student walks in the door and signs-up. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:21:45 -0700 From: "Gordon Walker" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] KNIFE FIGHTING AND A GOOD POINT, PUN INTENDED. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Buz made a great point on the social paradigm of the current north american society. We are all beholden to the current laws and social dogma as it relates to the majority. There are a lot of places you can go in the world, including North America, where having and using a blade/weapon is second nature or is to be expected. Thankfully, I live a good life in a good country, Canada, eh, and dont have to experience that reality. At one point, I did run in those circles or was on the outskirts of those circles, but I made a decision to change things in my life. Regards, Gordon --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:31:36 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martial_arts_men_questioned_over_record_=A353m_r aid?= Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Martial arts men questioned over record £53m raid By Stewart Tendler, Crime Correspondent A JUDO champion has been questioned about the record £53 million armed robbery on the Securitas cash depot in Kent. Chris Bowles represented Britain at the 1980 Moscow Olympics and at the peak of his career was a European and British champion. He also taught at Tonbridge public school and is a senior coach at a Tonbridge judo club in Kent. Yesterday detectives refused to confirm that Mr Bowles was the man arrested on Saturday after a white Ford Transit van was found at a hotel in Ashford with two plastic bags containing £1.3 million, weapons, balaclavas and body armour. At home in Hildenborough, near Tonbridge, Mr Bowles, 49, said: "I can't say anything for legal reasons. I'm aware why you're here and what my name has been linked to, but I can't discuss it with you at all. I have been advised not to." Mr Bowles, 49, was a junior European champion in the 1970s, a senior European silver medallist and came fifth in Moscow. Two years ago he was graded a sixth dan black belt by the British Judo Association. He is recognised for his work coaching thousands of children and his club organises novelty birthday parties for children, such as Sumo suit parties and Peugal poles, a type of stick used in Gladiators, and giant glove boxing. Mr Bowles is also said to be a freelance nightclub doorman who has been hired as a security guard at a number of pubs and clubs in the South East. As he spoke yesterday, police were still searching the home of a friend, Lea Rusha, a kick-boxing expert, at Southborough, near Tunbridge Wells. The kick-boxer, now in his middle 30s, has fought in professional fights across the South East, and also stars in a brutal DVD fight called Extreme Fighters. Neighbours say he has not been seen at his home for some days. He trained at a club in Tonbridge and in 1999 reached the finals of a UK competition using a form of kick-boxing known as "vale tudo" or no rules. In 1994 he went to the Philippines representing England in a specialised martial art called Eskrima and won a gold medal. The sport involves a 28- inch baton. He later became the English number two in the vale tudo style. One martial arts expert said that Mr Bowles and Mr Rusha were friends despite their different disciplines. "Martial arts is a close-knit community what-ever you do. Everyone knows everybody." He said that Mr Rusha came from a large close-knit family. The friend, who has known him for nearly 20 years, said: "I am surprised. I have known Lea since he was a young man." Kent police said that the final audit by Securitas officials at their Tonbridge depot had revealed a total loss of £53 million, which includes £25 million that belonged to the Bank of England. Adrian Leppard, the assistant chief constable of Kent in overall command of the investigation, said that four men had been arrested during raids over the weekend and yesterday. Two of the men were held at Tankerton, near Whitstable, on Sunday, when a planned operation ended with police shooting out the tyres of a BMW. Another two men were arrested in a vehicle at Greenwich, South London, yesterday morning. A fifth was arrested and later released as police launched a series of armed raids across Kent. Mr Leppard said ten addresses had been searched during raids and material was being examined by police but he refused to give any further details because the investigations, or the safety of officers, could be compromised. However he said that the investigation was "fast paced" and he was very pleased with progress.. Police are also reported to have recovered a van and a fork-lift truck close to where 14 steel cages holding the banknotes was dumped. The fork-lift may have been used to move the cages. Detectives now have seven vehicles they believe were used in the robbery but yesterday Mr Leppard said police are still searching for the white 7.7 tonne Renault lorry which was driven in to the depot early last Wednesday morning by the gang. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest