Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:00:37 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #66 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kali Arnis Escrima and Old Crimes... (Mike Casto) 2. Re: Instructor Testing (James Nordstrom) 3. Knife fighting (Marc MacYoung) 4. Re: Re: Instructor Testing (Ray) 5. Re: Re: Instructor Testing (Steve Kohn) 6. Police comments (Ray) 7. Re: Teaching the wrong people (Ray) 8. Looking for Steve Drape (John Chow) 9. Re: Re: Instructor Testing (Ray) 10. Re: Re: Instructor Testing (Steve Kohn) 11. Re: Looking for Steve Drape (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_du_Preez?=) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:43:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali Arnis Escrima and Old Crimes... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net But some systems have become very stick oriented. Balintawak Cuentada (GM Bobby Taboada's lineage - I don't know about other lineages) deals with blades but is very stick based - and this is evident from the fact that many of the basic counters have you putting your hand on the stick where the edge would be on a blade and many of the basic disarms have you grabbing the stick. And it's not the only FMA system I've seen like this. I've even had FMA instructors (Pilipinos themselves) tell me that some of their material (or, depending on the system, most of their material) is designed for stick work not for blade. However, these systems seem to be, in my experience, the exceptions that prove the rule. The majority of the systems I've trained in and been exposed to have been blade systems right to their core and only see the stick as a training tool for the blade. Personally, I think there's room for both. If I'm getting attacked by an impact weapon and know it, then that gives me some latitude in defense that I don't have against a blade. Yes, the blade defenses will work too and I understand people who choose to focus on those since they work against the stick, too. I just think that having an understanding of both helps me understand the strengths and weaknesses of both and, in turn, helps me better understand how to both utilize and defend against both types of weapons. Mike Casto I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy - http://www.impactacademy.com Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listing Page - http://seminars.guild-hall.com Martial Arts School Database - http://schools.guild-hall.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Lance Cross To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:25:57 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Kali Arnis Escrima and Old Crimes... All, I thought by simple history and definition that Kali, Arnis, Escrima were bladed arts. They are taught using blunt instruments for modern convenience. Last time the trees were trimmed at my house in town, I had an audience. Should have put a hat down and made some money. Here in Canada we don't usually get "bad apple" students coming in, other than "armchair blackbelts" who want to be loved for their misinterpretted knowledge. Mostly the FMA brings in Fencers and other martial artists looking for a group to work with. Does anyone supplement the children's class with "poi"? -Lance _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: James Nordstrom To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Instructor Testing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not bold, rather truthful. I think we can agree that pedagogy is the art and science of teaching someone how to teach. I am in the CSU, San Jose Classical Fencing Pedagogy Program as well as being an apprentice instructor to Guro Labonog of Bahala Na and I can truthfully tell you from experience that learning to do and learning to teach are quite different things. What has become internalized must now be externalized and broken down into the proper steps to teach. So, if you do not have a pedagogy method for instructing potential instructors how to instruct do not be surprised when you do not have any instructors to certify to instruct. Cheers "James, As you haven't ever trained with me, that's a pretty bold statement. My current students just don't spend too much time worrying about ranking (at least I hope they don't)...and neither do I. Best, Steve" Cheers Jim "Taking life on the chin is all fine and well, but when life throws you a pile of shit best learn to bob and weave." "If people would just be half as smart as they think they are, they would be twice as smart as they really are." --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! 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A) Two weeks on the road teaching, B) A new project coming on line on how to legally and effectively use a knife in self-defense (and why most training with blades only leaves you with two basic problems 1) if it doesn't work 2) if it does work) M --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Instructor Testing To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:26:25 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I am in the CSU, San Jose Classical Fencing Pedagogy Program as well as being an apprentice instructor to Guro Labonog of Bahala Na and I can truthfully tell you from experience that learning to do and learning to teach are quite different things. What has become internalized must now be externalized and broken down into the proper steps to teach. > FWIW, I am reminded of Cacoy's recollection of the Saavedras. "One of them was a great fighter, but couldn't teach. The other was a great teacher, but couldn't fight." Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:30:32 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Instructor Testing To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net James, Considering your statement was based on almost no information at all...I'll just maintain that it was bold. I'm not sure were on the same page here. I never said I was surprised that I didn't have instructors that were certified to instruct. I just mentioned that I hadn't made any instructors yet and wanted a better method of testing if I ever chose to. In fact, It's very possible that I may never make instructors as all that does is encourage politics and power struggles...and I hate the crap. My whole idea for the testing method I had in mind was based entirely on the often overlooked distinction between doing and teaching. My method of teaching (that you assumed I didn't have) is non-linear for some and linear for others as all people learn differently. If I only had one approach or only "taught as I've been taught", I would feel like a failure as an instructor. -Steve James Nordstrom wrote: Not bold, rather truthful. I think we can agree that pedagogy is the art and science of teaching someone how to teach. I am in the CSU, San Jose Classical Fencing Pedagogy Program as well as being an apprentice instructor to Guro Labonog of Bahala Na and I can truthfully tell you from experience that learning to do and learning to teach are quite different things. What has become internalized must now be externalized and broken down into the proper steps to teach. So, if you do not have a pedagogy method for instructing potential instructors how to instruct do not be surprised when you do not have any instructors to certify to instruct. Cheers "James, As you haven't ever trained with me, that's a pretty bold statement. My current students just don't spend too much time worrying about ranking (at least I hope they don't)...and neither do I. Best, Steve" Cheers Jim "Taking life on the chin is all fine and well, but when life throws you a pile of shit best learn to bob and weave." "If people would just be half as smart as they think they are, they would be twice as smart as they really are." --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:44:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Police comments Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From one of my LEO students... The following 15 Police comments were taken off of actual cop car videos around the country. 15. "Relax, the handcuffs are tight because they're new. They'll stretch out after you wear them awhile." 14. "Take your hands off the car and I'll make your birth certificate a worthless document." 13. "If you run, you'll only go to jail tired." 12. "Can you run faster than 1200 feet per second? In case you didn't know, that is the average speed of a 9mm bullet." 11. "So you don't know how fast you were going. I guess that means I can write anything I want on the ticket, huh?" 10. "Yes, Sir, you can talk to the shift supervisor, but I don't think it will help. Oh, did I mention that I am the shift supervisor?" 9. "Warning! You want a warning? OK, I'm warning you not to do that again or I'll give you another ticket." 8. "The answer to this last question will determine whether you are drunk or not. Was Mickey Mouse a cat or a dog?" 7. "Fair? You want me to be fair? Listen, fair is a place where you go to ride on rides, eat cotton candy, and step in monkey doo." 6. "Yeah, we have a quota. Two more tickets and my wife gets a toaster." 5. "In God we trust, all others we run through the computer." 4. "Just how big were those two beers?" 3. "No sir we don't have quotas anymore. We used to have quotas but now we're allowed to write as many tickets as we want." 2. "I'm glad to hear the Chief of Police is a good personal friend of yours. At least you know someone who can post your bail." And... 1. "You didn't think we give pretty women tickets? You're right, we don't... Sign here. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Teaching the wrong people To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:51:25 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > This seems relevant to some recent posts on who to teach and who not to > teach. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/4686456.stm The article that I posted on this said, I think, he had ~100 knives and weapons. I posted it as I thought, jeez, I very easily have that many knives and weapons; sticks, knives, swords, guns, flexible weapons, etc., etc. But I don't have 100 knives, so maybe I am a bit more normal than he... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:58:28 +0000 (GMT) From: John Chow To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Looking for Steve Drape Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can anybody who knows Steve Drape's cuurent email address please email me? Thanks! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Instructor Testing To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:09:09 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > My method of teaching (that you assumed I didn't have) is non-linear for some and linear for others as all people learn differently. If I only had one approach or only "taught as I've been taught", I would feel like a failure as an instructor. > Excellent approach. FWIW... Singer, Robert N. (1980). Motor Learning and Human Performance, An application to motor skills and movement behaviors, 3rd ed., New York: MacMillan Publishing. Also http://coachesinfo.com/category/becoming_a_better_coach/272/ Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:23:36 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Instructor Testing To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks Ray. -Steve Ray wrote: > My method of teaching (that you assumed I didn't have) is non-linear for some and linear for others as all people learn differently. If I only had one approach or only "taught as I've been taught", I would feel like a failure as an instructor. > Excellent approach. FWIW... Singer, Robert N. (1980). Motor Learning and Human Performance, An application to motor skills and movement behaviors, 3rd ed., New York: MacMillan Publishing. Also http://coachesinfo.com/category/becoming_a_better_coach/272/ Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_du_Preez?= To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Looking for Steve Drape Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:58:59 +0200 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chow" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:58 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Looking for Steve Drape > Can anybody who knows Steve Drape's cuurent email address please email me? > Thanks! sdrape@gmail.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest