Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:01:20 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #67 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. INSTRUCTOR (Gordon Walker) 2. Re: Teaching the wrong people (iPat) 3. Who to train, rank, and philosophical ramblings... (B Katz) 4. Stick and Blade... (Lance Cross) 5. Tire Bag (Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness) 6. Re: more on CBS TV San Francisco Bay Area weapons sparring club (A. Van Meter) 7. Re: Tire Bag (Daniel Arola) 8. Buffalo Martial Arts Summit (Absolom Jones) 9. Re: Tire Bag (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:13:55 -0700 From: "Gordon Walker" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] INSTRUCTOR Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net HI, I used to train in the Bujinkan style/system and the grading seemed to go pretty quick, which I liked, because the feeling of accomplishment kept me going. The draw back, to me, was that some physically skilled people seemed to be held back while others, less skilled were advanced much quicker. When I asked about this, it was explained to me that character was a major point of consideration. This made some of my confusion disappear, considering some of the physically gifted students. In regards to the physical, the requirements and curriculum were laid out in black and white for all to see. That made things much easier and less controversial for everybody. My fma teacher has certified several levels of instructors in the past three years. There is only one instructor with the level six certification, which is the master level in our fma style. He is scary!!!! The other are great teachers, but dont really come close to what Gil is. Regards, Gordon --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:06:08 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Teaching the wrong people Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net theres always hope ; ) On 3/1/06, Ray wrote: > > .... so maybe I am a bit more normal than he... :) > > > -- > Pat --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:14:58 -0800 (PST) From: B Katz To: "eskrima@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [Eskrima] Who to train, rank, and philosophical ramblings... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It seems to me that this debate reinforces the old tradition of back-yard instruction. Good one-on-one time is a sure fire way to figure out who is the dumb-ass. Just a thought. I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the story of GM Tony Diego trying to convince GM Illustrisimo to take him on as a student. Maybe that is the right way to choose your students. As for the "when to promote" debate... From my studies, it seems that several systems have varying degrees of instructor certifications. Being an individual with a stron affinity for the philosophy of John Dewey, this seems to me like a spiffing idea! A basic instructor would be able to constantly drill him/ herself in the rudimentary skills as he or she teaches the new students. Med schools across the country espouse this system of teaching. Watch one, do one, teach one is the order of the day for the surgeon that just fixed your torn tendon. Speaking to the ranking topic... My first foray into the martial life-style was at a relatively young age. At 15, I was enrolled by my father in an EXTREMELY small, incredibly traditional Isshin Ryu dojo. There were only 2 colors of belts; white and dirty white. We all knew where we stood, any questions of "rank" or "status" could easily be determined by a quick "comparison of skills", usually hard contact, no pads. Us upstart puppies were taught patientce in a very brutal and abrubt fasion. It seems to me that the vast majority of rank issues stem from the average American's need for instant gratification. The need that we all, on some level, seem to have to know EXACTLY where we stand at all times. A line from David Carridine's TV classic comes instantly to mind... "Patience, Grasshopper"... Or maybe I'm just overthinking everything... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lance Cross" To: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Stick and Blade... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mike Casto, I totally agree that stick is both a valid tool and a popular choice. I had a very poor instructor once that said "Empty Hands, Stick and Knife are fully interchangeable" unfortunately the martial arts he was teaching was not thay way (some are), and any fool (he seemed to attract many) would probably cut his own forearm on a regular basis in solo practice had they used real knives. Fortunately my passion didn't allow the master-student relationship to blind me. I think how stick and knife (and other training like Tom Meadow's whips) are practiced by many passionate people. (Anyone out there have a passion for Empty hand? Stick? Blade?) Most people who practice usually have a real flame going inside for what they are learning (joy learners), this explains the "Tower of Bable" theory of why schools split. However one must love multi style schools that bring people back together. Speaking of passionate people: I recently saw a rebroadcast of one of Bruce Lee's TV interviews, there was some serious energy and passion in his words, much more than just inspirational. -Lance Cross --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:57:28 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Tire Bag Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I used one awhile back that was made of old tires stacked on one another and bolted together..the one I used had sticks coming out of it, like a mook, and was pretty interesting as far as what could be done with it. Don Edwards www.imafit.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:53:26 -0800 From: "A. Van Meter" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] more on CBS TV San Francisco Bay Area weapons sparring club Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, my teacher is in this. He takes a training blade to the face, yikes. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tire Bag To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There's an old, old issue in Black Belt magazine(or maybe it was Inside Kung Fu) of Dan Inosanto and the Tire training dummy that fit that exact description, Don. I think it was an issue printed back in the mid to late 80s. Also, there was another older issue of Black Belt Mag published sometime in 85-86 with diagrams on how to construct the "tire-man dummy" where up to 3 tires(1 tire cut up to use as cover for the hole) were bolted together to construct the shape of a person with a head and legs. All made of tire and nuts and bolts. I sure wish I remembered more about that article. Damn I miss that old issue. Daniel Arola Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness wrote: I used one awhile back that was made of old tires stacked on one another and bolted together..the one I used had sticks coming out of it, like a mook, and was pretty interesting as far as what could be done with it. Don Edwards www.imafit.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Absolom Jones" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:11:42 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Buffalo Martial Arts Summit Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am posting the following information about a mixed presentation summmer training camp in Buffalo, NY, this coming July because there are four (4) FMA styles represented on the program. The Buffalo Martial Arts Summit will be held at the Adam’s Mark Hotel in Downtown Buffalo, NY, on Saturday, July 8 and Sunday, July 9, 2006. The Summit will be open to all martial artists. The ‘Summit’ will feature a cross-training approach to the arts and the sessions will be taught by highly experienced master level teachers: Master Roger Agbulos Lameco Eskrima Punong Guro Tom Bolden American Modern Arnis Sensei John Borter Modern Ju-Jitsu Sifu Daniel Donzella Liu Seong Combat Arts Punong Guro Steven K. Dowd Arnis Balite Shihan Rudy Duncan Karazenpo Shaolin Kempo Dr. Stanford McNeil Kifaru Jitsu Sensei Steven J. Pearlman Genri Ryu Life Protection Arts Master Sultan Uddin International Serrada Eskrima The seminars will focus on exploration, discovery, cooperation, networking, friendship, and team building. Saturday will feature 5 training time brackets of 60 to 75 minutes apiece with dual presentations simultaneously occurring in separate rooms. The Sunday program will consist of 3 training time brackets with two or three instructors working in a side-by-side comparative seminar, showing different responses to some common assault scenarios. The 2 day cost for the seminars is $99 paid in advance and $130 at the door. For more information you can contact Dr. Jerome Barber, the BMAS Coordinator via e-mail at It looks like a very good lineup of presenters. Respectfully, Absolom --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tire Bag To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:46:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I used one awhile back that was made of old tires stacked on one another > and bolted together..the one I used had sticks coming out of it, like a > mook, and was pretty interesting as far as what could be done with it. Suro Inay used to have a tire bag in his backyard that actually looked like a person (kinda). I think it was made with five or six tires bolted to a post, difficult to describe. Inayan guys, was it Guro Hart that made that tire 'bag' for Suro??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest