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(ASC) 14. padded gear (jason couture) 15. RE: padded gear (junk) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 20:46:19 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Wong Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knife-fighters To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rape of Nanjing. bgdebuque wrote:[snip] The highest documented rate of confirmed blade kills in the 20th century were probably in the late 30s when 2 Japanese Army swordsmen had a toe-to-toe competition as to who could behead the most number of prisoners in 1 minute. I think one scored 106 and the other 107. Inasmuch as the margin was only 1, the contest was officially declared a tie. It was not mentioned whether they decided to have a rematch. This story would always make me sick everytime I remember it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:37:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Bandile Dlabantu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] proffesional knife fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What organisation does "Proffesional knife fighting"? Do they have a website ? How do they dispose of the bodies and do the cops know? --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:34:03 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Cardinal rules of combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I guess I haven't met a real "knife-fighter" yet. The ones I've met are just plain "knifers". Everytime they are outnumbered or out-armed, they always run. Of course, they will first try to remember the face(s) of the attacker(s) before they run away. Just in case someday they will encounter him/them again in a blind alley with their wheelchair-bound grandmother(s).... =[:->] > > Message: 3 > From: "Marc MacYoung" > To: > Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:42:35 -0800 > Subject: [Eskrima] re: Cardinal rules of combat > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > 1. Re: Cardinal rules of combat (bgdebuque) > > From: bgdebuque > > BTW, I have personally interviewed a few real-life knifers (take note, > not > > "knife-fighters") in my younger days and, based on their experiences, > the > > only ones who survived them are those who ran... > > Perhaps, there must be a lesson there somewhere... =[:->] > > > But...but....didn't you know that if you study a deadly knife fighting > style > you HAVE to find a reason not to run? I mean, you're always training for > the day those 27 ninjas with Uzis jump you in a blind alley when you have > your wheelchair bound grandmother with you so you HAVE to stay and fight? > > That's because "REAL knife fighters" don't run.... You just ask them and > they'll tell you too.... > > *snicker* > > M --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:54:32 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] re: Cardinal rules of combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray said > There is a little known series of videos from the late Ernie Franco. > After each knife counter he showed he would add "and then run away", and > he would actually demo running away. I don't think most instructors > drill that concept in as frequently as Ernie did, but it is usually there. Well God Bless him real good then, such an attitude does wonders for keeping one's students out of prison, to say nothing about staying alive. >If not, then I suggest you find a better instructor. That's interesting, especially because last night I got to sit down and read a book someone sent me a book called "Masters of the Blade." I only recall seeing one instructor show a cut and run technique. Saw a lot of multiple hits and kill shots after you've disarmed your opponent. M M --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Cardinal rules of combat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:40:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >If not, then I suggest you find a better instructor. > > That's interesting, especially because last night I got to sit down and read > a book someone sent me a book called "Masters of the Blade." I only recall > seeing one instructor show a cut and run technique. Saw a lot of multiple > hits and kill shots after you've disarmed your opponent. Sounds like the book was mis-titled... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:36:24 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] The Edge 2006 - Knife & Stickfighting Championships Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Audience, Competitors & Judges Needed! For more information, please contact: Larry St. Clair and The Martial Way Academy martialway@hotmail.com 1609 Ohlen Road, Suite B & E Austin, Texas 78758 www.edgefighting.com 512 821-3637 The Edge 2006 - Knife & Stick Fighting Championships Austin, Texas - The Edge 2006 is going back to where it all began! The Edge will be hosting one of its best shows ever on Sunday, May 21st, 2006 at its original venue, Stubb's BBQ. The Edge is Austin's only weapon based martial arts tournament hosting non-stop action and heart pounding excitement. Billed as Return of the Champions, this year's Edge will be the fifth installment of some great competitors and matches. The Edge 2006 will be debuting its fifth event hosting six divisions awarding 20 medals and four National Title Belts! That is right, a new National Title Belt will be offered for the all new Double Stick Division. Come see some of Austin's favorite contenders as they battle it out for the Championships. This will also be local Austin Champion, Roberto "the Machine" Vallarino's third time to defend all three of his Belts! All of this action will take place on Sunday, May 21st at Stubb's BBQ in Austin, Texas. Stubb's is conveniently located at 801 Red River just West of IH-35. Technical Divisions will begin at 10AM and Title Belt Divisions will begin at 12PM Tickets are available to witness The Edge 2006 in person for only $15 in advance and $20 at the door. When you purchase your tickets you will receive a raffle ticket for prizes from some of our best local, national and even international sponsors. You can purchase tickets by visiting The Martial Way Academy at 1609 Ohlen Road Suite B or online at www.edgefighting.com. If you are interested in competing then get your space reserved today. Take advantage of the early bird registration special by phone calling at (512) 821-3637 or you can register directly at www.edgefighting.com. Thanks for your time and more news will be on its way! Sincerely, Larry St. Clair The Edge 2006 - www.edgefighting.com The Martial Way Academy - www.martialway.net (512) 821-3637 --__--__-- Message: 7 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Alex.France@kp.org Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:40:29 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] GM Ernesto Presas at Kombatan Training Camp in Australia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Here's the contact info for the Kombatan Training camp in Australia, April 19 thru 26. Andy Elliot is the IPMAF Chief Instructor for Australia. His e-mail address is: ipmaf@mssd.com.au You can find all camp info on his website www.mssd.com.au The home page has a camp information flyer & a booking registration form. Be there! Alex(ander Bautista Bayot France) --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:04:53 -0800 From: Pierre Honeyman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Cardinal rules of combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Quoting Marc MacYoung : > Ray said > > There is a little known series of videos from the late Ernie Franco. > > After each knife counter he showed he would add "and then run away", and > > he would actually demo running away. I don't think most instructors > > drill that concept in as frequently as Ernie did, but it is usually there. > > Well God Bless him real good then, such an attitude does wonders for keeping > > one's students out of prison, to say nothing about staying alive. Geez, I just hope you never go anywhere with company. > >If not, then I suggest you find a better instructor. > > That's interesting, especially because last night I got to sit down and read > > a book someone sent me a book called "Masters of the Blade." I only recall > seeing one instructor show a cut and run technique. Saw a lot of multiple > hits and kill shots after you've disarmed your opponent. Because just because a guy is "disarmed" doesn't mean he's harmless. Pierre --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:41:00 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Poi? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Am I missing something here? When I was living in Hawaii, poi was a thick, viscous dish ate with the fingers, can't remember exactly what it was made of, but I'm sure it's a food...could be wrong, that was a long time ago. Kim Satterfield In a message dated 3/6/2006 5:58:43 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Lance, I don't teach children's classes but I love poi! I had actually never even heard of poi until about a year ago when I started getting into spinning the firestaff. Poi move so fast and require such coordination between hands that I can see how it would make an excellent (and fun!) "training" tool for children... and adults. -steve --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Argyll -" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:03:05 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Concord CA Valencia LAMECO Seminar 3/26 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings All, Wanted to pass on that on Sunday, March 26th, Modern Defense Institute in Concord California is sponsoring another in series of seminars with Felix Valencia of Valencia LAMECO Eskrima focusing on defensive knife. This six hour seminar will emphasize reality based situations and practical defensive edged weapon techniques. Covered topics include: Unarmed Tactics versus Knife Attacks Ground Fighting and Control Close Range Knife Fighting Techniques Long Range Knife Fighting The last seminar was very well attended and space is limited, so register early to reserve your place in class. The cost is $80.00 in advance, $100 at the door, and a LEO discount is available. Registration/Info Contact: Tim Llacuna at the Modern Defense Institute Phone: 925-686-5149 or E-mail: TL-MDI@sbcglobal.net Wear appropriate workout attire. Groin protector and water are recommended. Best regards, Argyll -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Poi? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:30:14 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Am I missing something here? When I was living in Hawaii, poi was a thick, > viscous dish ate with the fingers, can't remember exactly what it was made > of, but I'm sure it's a food...could be wrong, that was a long time ago. Different poi. Check out http://www.homeofpoi.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Ted Salmon Jr." Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Poi? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Aloha Ray, Poi is made from the Taro plant. Ted Ray wrote: > Am I missing something here? When I was living in Hawaii, poi was a thick, > viscous dish ate with the fingers, can't remember exactly what it was made > of, but I'm sure it's a food...could be wrong, that was a long time ago. Different poi. Check out http://www.homeofpoi.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Fortune favors the brave. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:49:45 +1100 From: ASC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Poi? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net :) yeah, i kept me mouth shut too! the only poi i know is person(s) of interest :-) thanks for the webby addy! Ray wrote: >>Am I missing something here? When I was living in Hawaii, poi was a thick, >>viscous dish ate with the fingers, can't remember exactly what it was made >>of, but I'm sure it's a food...could be wrong, that was a long time ago. >> >> > >Different poi. > >Check out http://www.homeofpoi.com. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:36:45 -0800 (PST) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] padded gear Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Putting on layers of protective gear when sparring is fine, as long as you still train like you don't have it on. This is the biggest problem I've seen with students. They put the gear on and go caveman on each other but, forget to block or avoid incoming strikes. The padding takes the fear and respect for pain away. After all, the rattan is suppose to be a blade.....you don't want to trade blows. I've been stupid enough to stickfight without head protection (years ago). I don't recommend it. To me, head protection is a must. I'd like to start moving away from gloves and ONLY use head protection because, the hand is such a vital target for disarms (people really start respecting the stick when their hand is hanging out there). The rate for broken hands and fingers rise, which makes it a difficult choice to make. So is the life of a warrior. **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "junk" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] padded gear Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 00:02:55 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am only through my first few months of training and came to pretty much the same conclusion after watching my first competition under wekaf rules. Defense seemed to be pretty much ignored with all the gear on. It also seemed to me that regularly sparring with that mindset could possibly create very bad habits; the kind that I certainly would not want to have surface in a survival situation. Fortunately my instructor feels the same way. -----Original Message----- From: jason couture [mailto:airbornecouture@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:37 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] padded gear Putting on layers of protective gear when sparring is fine, as long as you still train like you don't have it on. This is the biggest problem I've seen with students. They put the gear on and go caveman on each other but, forget to block or avoid incoming strikes. The padding takes the fear and respect for pain away. After all, the rattan is suppose to be a blade.....you don't want to trade blows. I've been stupid enough to stickfight without head protection (years ago). I don't recommend it. To me, head protection is a must. I'd like to start moving away from gloves and ONLY use head protection because, the hand is such a vital target for disarms (people really start respecting the stick when their hand is hanging out there). The rate for broken hands and fingers rise, which makes it a difficult choice to make. So is the life of a warrior. **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest