Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:01:22 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #76 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. WEKAF & Padded Sticks (Jorge Penafiel) 2. Eskrima Elbow Prevention! (Lawrence, Marc J.) 3. Warrior ethos (Ray Terry) 4. Re: WEKAF & Padded Sticks (jay de leon) 5. Re: WEKAF & Padded Sticks (neercsemantwelve@aol.com) 6. Clarity in Doce Pares (grapple00@netscape.net) 7. Re: Clarity in Doce Pares (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:01:45 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] WEKAF & Padded Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve wrote : "Careful of generalizations. Remember WEKAF is a sport aspect, not survival. Just because defense was not displayed does not mean the fighters don't possess it. Besides, the rules dictate the action. A lack of defense can be negatively scored however the rules state "greatest #of effective hits". The competitor is going to adapt to what will win. It is a competitive sport. And not all fighters show a lack of defense while winning. The better fighters will do both." +++ Most definitely..A line must be understood that the "sport and Survival" venues of FMA and/or other MA are two different entities. Name of the game is "stick fighting" seen to show case cumulative "hit" points not defense using the regulated equipments or padded sticks . Maybe if the rules were changed and defenses are counted too, perhaps we could expect otherwise. For now, that's the way it is with most FMA tournaments and if one doesn't believe or be part of this activity, it is your choice. Meanwhile, them guys are having fun, develop comraderie, and promotes our art. Next day, same as usual and back to work. So,,might as well join them and put aside for a moment our "survival" training. There is a place for this in our hearts. Jorge V. Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:37:08 -0800 From: "Lawrence, Marc J." To: Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima Elbow Prevention! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Recently, I have seen a number of Eskrimadors complaining of arm pain, about 1 month after getting new sticks. Eskrima Elbow or Tennis Elbow are one in the same. Physicians call it Epicondylitis. It is an injury to the muscles and tendons on the outside of the elbow caused by the overuse and or repetitive stress. Signs and symptoms- pain and swelling (in belly of the muscle) in the top of the fore-arm, pain and tenderness of the inside of the arm by the elbow joint. Pain and tenderness in the top of the hand from to wrist usually seen with the second and third fingers. If you have suffered this injury it can be treated simply and be prevented as well. Prompt treatment leads to rapid recovery. Treatment is based on the RICE principle, R- rest stop over-use reduce training time until completely healed, I-ice no more than 10 minutes a day and no ice directly to the skin, use towel for barrier, C- Compress, Tennis elbow straps applied correctly help when training. E-elevate, elevated your arm during the day to minimized swelling. Over the counter anti-inflammatory help reduce inflammation. Prevention is simple, it is two fold, one is the correct diameter of stick the other stretching correctly before practice and after. Stretch #1 standing up, palm down arm straight in front of you, bend the wrist down 90 degrees for 20 seconds. Stretch #2 standing up, palm up, arm straight in front of you bend the wrist down 90 degrees for 20 seconds. Stretch #3 standing up, palm down arm straight in front of you spread you fingers wide in a shooting motion and hold for 20 seconds. This can be repeated up two- three times. Do this prior to twirling and after practice. Prevention- Equipment modification of grip size. Too big or too small will cause many problems in your arm! Your proper grip size is measured from the middle of your palm to the tip of your third finger. Use a paper tape measure to make the measurement. Wrap this tape measure around your stick once, it should be the same if to small, use bicycle handle bar foam, sports grip of even pipe insulation foam tape increase the diameter. If you stick is too large get a smaller one. This will help you immensely in the prevention of Eskrima Elbow. For more information go to http://www.nismat.org/ptcor/tennis_elbow. Mabuhay ang eskrima ! Marc South Bay --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:36:07 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Warrior ethos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Warrior ethos By Henry Cuningham Military editor Fayetteville Online Brig. Gen. Kevin Leonard asked his headquarters staff how many had ever been in a "real fight" where they weren't really sure what was going to happen. Of several dozen soldiers in the 1st Corps Support Command headquarters, only one person spoke up. "You have pain, fear and no script," Leonard told the logistics soldiers in the gymnasium at Dahl Physical Fitness Center. On Wednesday mornings, Leonard spends time during physical training trying to build up "warrior spirit" with escrima, a martial art brought to the United States by Filipinos and encountered by the U.S. Army around 1900 in the Philippines. The concepts include balance, focus, speed, timing and power. "The whole idea is hand-eye coordination, warrior spirit, what does it take?" he said afterward. "How do we focus on learning to fight, learning to move? What are the dynamics of that fighting and movement?" In each hand, the soldiers had a wooden dowel rod slightly longer than their forearms. The gym echoed with the sound of sticks striking each other as the soldiers practiced. Leonard talked about timing and balance and unpredictability as he went through motions with the sticks. Meanwhile, outside the gym, soldiers practiced hand-to-hand combat. 'Combatives' There is an Armywide focus on "combatives." It's part of the emphasis by the chief of staff, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, on "warrior ethos." Schoomaker said in an interview on the same day at Fort Bragg that he wants his soldiers to spend less time inspecting class-A uniforms and more time doing precombat inspections. Soldiers in logistical units such as the 1st COSCOM are getting ammunition for marksmanship training just like soldiers in front-line brigade combat teams, he said. "The warrior skills and the marksmanship and the combatives and the mentality are all-important," Schoomaker said. "Everybody's got to be a soldier, and they've got to be skilled at being a soldier." At the same time, Schoomaker said, he expects soldiers to be mentally flexible and to realize there is "not just a kinetic solution." That's a polite military term referring to the use of force. Practical applications Leonard said individual martial arts teach lessons that can be applied on a larger scale. "The theory is, what applies at the person level also would apply at the squad, platoon, company — the same kinds of dynamics of fighting," Leonard said. Leonard became acquainted with escrima at about age 13 when he was growing up in Kansas City, Kan. "Combat or fighting is rarely a scripted event," he said. "You are better served to have a series of techniques, a tool bag that you can draw on. 'First I will do this' always relies on an opponent doing exactly what you want him to do. Rarely does it work like that. The enemy always gets a vote. We want to be prepared for that." --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] WEKAF & Padded Sticks To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just to reinforce what my good friend Master Jorge said. I used to watch well-attended padded sticks tournament in the Philippines, and I wrote one time that it was a matter of speed and stamina most of the time, because what counted was just the sheer number of strikes, seemingly hundreds of them, practically no defense at all, with an occasional accidental disarm once in a while. But the masters running the tournament had no illusions about it. One of them jokingly called it "pukpukan ng unan" or pillow fight. They understood it was just a sport, and most of the participants were mostly young men, teens or pre-teens having a good time. There was no doubt in my mind that most of them understood that combat with a live stick was an entirely different affair, and it was probably fair to guess they would not be slouches at it. Jay de Leon Jorge Penafiel wrote: Most definitely..A line must be understood that the "sport and Survival" venues of FMA and/or other MA are two different entities. Name of the game is "stick fighting" seen to show case cumulative "hit" points not defense using the regulated equipments or padded sticks . Maybe if the rules were changed and defenses are counted too, perhaps we could expect otherwise. For now, that's the way it is with most FMA tournaments and if one doesn't believe or be part of this activity, it is your choice. Meanwhile, them guys are having fun, develop comraderie, and promotes our art. Next day, same as usual and back to work. So,,might as well join them and put aside for a moment our "survival" training. There is a place for this in our hearts. Jorge V. Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:36:47 -0500 From: neercsemantwelve@aol.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] WEKAF & Padded Sticks To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Careful of generalizations. Remember WEKAF is a sport aspect, not survival. Just because defense was not displayed does not mean the fighters don't possess it. Besides, the rules dictate the action. A lack of defense can be negatively scored however the rules state "greatest #of effective hits". The competitor is going to adapt to what will win. It is a competitive sport. And not all fighters show a lack of defense while winning. The better fighters will do both." i pretty much disagree totally. if you are training wekaf style pretty much the majority of your training/sparring is going to be geared to that. there is nothing wrong with this. but that is sport and not fighting. when you train like that under adrenal circumstances when you're in a real altercation those actions trained under those adrenal circumstances are what's going to happen. if you train TKD for tkd tournaments then compete in thai boxing what fighting tactics are tou going to throw- this is vice versa- if you are training thai boxing for lumpinee stadium fight then enter a tkd tourney what fighting tools are you going to bring with you? Francisco Taruc p.s. hopefully there's no reason to be in a real impast weapon vs. impact weapon fight. -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Penafiel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:01:45 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] WEKAF & Padded Sticks Steve wrote : "Careful of generalizations. Remember WEKAF is a sport aspect, not survival. Just because defense was not displayed does not mean the fighters don't possess it. Besides, the rules dictate the action. A lack of defense can be negatively scored however the rules state "greatest #of effective hits". The competitor is going to adapt to what will win. It is a competitive sport. And not all fighters show a lack of defense while winning. The better fighters will do both." +++ Most definitely..A line must be understood that the "sport and Survival" venues of FMA and/or other MA are two different entities. Name of the game is "stick fighting" seen to show case cumulative "hit" points not defense using the regulated equipments or padded sticks . Maybe if the rules were changed and defenses are counted too, perhaps we could expect otherwise. For now, that's the way it is with most FMA tournaments and if one doesn't believe or be part of this activity, it is your choice. Meanwhile, them guys are having fun, develop comraderie, and promotes our art. Next day, same as usual and back to work. So,,might as well join them and put aside for a moment our "survival" training. There is a place for this in our hearts. Jorge V. Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:48:06 -0500 From: grapple00@netscape.net To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Clarity in Doce Pares Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A question for the denizens of te digest: My sifu just returned from Cebu and got the chance to train at the Doce Pares HQ. But it left him (and me) with a question: What is the leadership structure at Doce Pares? (In other words), I know Dionisio is the head of the organization, but where does GM Cacoy fit in? 'lil help here please. James in the 'Nati __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Clarity in Doce Pares To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:24:58 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > A question for the denizens of te digest: > > My sifu just returned from Cebu and got the chance to train at the Doce Pares HQ. But it left him (and me) with a question: > > What is the leadership structure at Doce Pares? (In other words), I know Dionisio is the head of the organization, but where does GM Cacoy fit in? > Atty Diony and Gm Cacoy aren't getting along too well these days. Diony is Cacoy's nephew and former student, but... Diony has Doce Pares International, http://www.doceparesinternational.com. Cacoy has Cacoy Doce Pares World Federation, http://www.docepares.com. So there are two Doce Pares organizations. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest