Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:00:44 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #80 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Adrenal Learning (Peter Gow) 2. Agree to some (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Calm Mind (Alex.France@kp.org) 4. To sweat or bleed... (Ollie Batts) 5. Re: Calm Mind (Djinji Brown) 6. Re: Agree to some (Ray) 7. Re: Adrenal states (Jon Broster) 8. Seminar with Master Topher Ricketts in Maryland (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:46:37 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Adrenal Learning Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear All, According to psychologists there are eight intelligences(visual, hearing, etc.) and we all learn differently from these eight intelligences.There is even a theory that some of us learn from more than one of these intelligences. Anyway getting to adrenal states - surely if one wants to learn in an adrenal state in the training mode then wouldn't it be wise to experience a higher adrenal state so that when reacting in a real life situation which hopefully none of us will have to do we will be in control of our emotions and not freeze. Such higher adrenal states could be ski diving or scuba diving. There are even some aquariums that will allow you to do supervised dives with sharks which surely for most people who have not experienced swimming with a shark will definately give them an adrenilllin dump [or some type of dump anyway;-))] Now having experienced these type of adrenillin dumps it follows that a martial artist may then have the capacity to funtion better in a situation that is stressful. Also perhaps a person with low blood pressure will operate/learn better under adrenal situations than a person with normal or high blood pressure. Galang, Peter Gow Australia   --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:56:29 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Agree to some Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello bgdebugue, Some of your point is good: you said: For me, tournament fighting, regardless of the level of contact, is still just another form of training for any MA practitioner who is a not a professional fighter. It is not the "real thing". Good point, but when they have to train for real if they are Professional fighter already? and How you can say or when do gauge them if their are Professional fighter already? If is not closed to "real thing" why we have to do it, Is it just because to gauge the level of training? Wow, cant we get that on class even without tournament, and we can get that to participation to closed to real fighting with or control environment? Just something to think.. you said: While it is important that we should train as realistically as possible, it is even more important that we should not incur any permanent physical injury while undergoing training. If you lose one eye, for example, as a result of the non-use of protective eyegear, it will be quite obvious that your chances of survival in a "real thing" situation will be considerably lower as compared to a situation wherein both of your eyes are still functional. Good point again, training realistically as possible. No, no, we should avoid getting hurt at all time on training, pain is part of the training, injury should be treated, accident, and accident is avoidable, practice caution, we are not planning to lose eyes on training, that we have to train not to get hurt at all time, in some events thing is not favorable to you than the others, Train good techniques, how you defines good techniques, the one that will save you in time of trouble. Off-couse we are hoping to walk away from it in piece at all times. Practices cautions in anything you do, if caution that you pick is to wear googles, or head gear, go for it. But remember most of the fight you dont have luxury or time to look for that, so you should practice without them too. Sports is good, but remember them as sport, if you practice for self defense, then do self defense, if you training fro the real deal, then dealth with like real thing.. You said:: As can be inferred from the military training tenet: "The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in combat", we are supposed to sweat in training, not bleed. Wow, this new, I never heard this before, I was in Military too, and my Drill Surgeant never mention this to us. We are train to shoot, if you dont shoot you will be the one likely to be shot. This is not true my friends, when your body went to a rush, andrenaline is shooting like 100 miles an hr. Heart beat raise up and blood was pump faster that ever, when you get cut, you will lose more blood that you calm. I learn this on my own experience. Sweat is sign of rush and fatigue so chaces are you will blled faster that you are clam. Something to think about.. Great Spirit Keep goin, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot USA --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Alex.France@kp.org Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:09:43 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Calm Mind Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dijinji wrote: >>Question, can one be in an adrenalized situation/conflict of any sort, yet respond with quick wit through a calm mind? Thats the whole point of training from my understanding.<< Yes! The times I've found myself in life-and-death situations were the times I was most calm; and I credit that to martial arts training. One example (a non-war story): I was in the fast line on a freeway when a station wagon (remember those?) full of kids in the back started drifting into my lane. I had to make a split second decision: allow the collision to happen or stomp on the brakes. With kids in the back of the station wagon, I really had only one choice. I knew (beforehand) that no other cars were around us, so I stomped on the brakes and let the car do a 180. Engine died and cars were now approaching. I calmly turned the engine on (if you're in panic mode you'd flood the carburetor), shifted into reverse, sped backwards to hug the guard rail as the cars passed by. After the cars cleared , I made a u-turn and continued on. Everything good and fine, right? Here's the kicker: Two or three minutes later, after the danger had passed, my body starts shaking uncontrollably (but not enough to lose control of my driving (smile)) . Major adrenaline dump! Alex(ander Bautista Bayot France) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:33:32 +0000 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] To sweat or bleed... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: bgdebuque "For me, tournament fighting, regardless of the level of contact, is still just another form of training for any MA practitioner who is a not a professional fighter. It is not the "real thing". "While it is important that we should train as realistically as possible, it is even more important that we should not incur any permanent physical injury while undergoing training. "If you lose one eye, for example, as a result of the non-use of protective eyegear, it will be quite obvious that your chances of survival in a "real thing" situation will be considerably lower as compared to a situation wherein both of your eyes are still functional. "As can be inferred from the military training tenet: "The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in combat", we are supposed to sweat in training, not bleed." In response to some recent posts, including the above: The more dangerous the art, the safer the training should be... in my humble opinion! Pugil --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:14:35 -0500 From: Djinji Brown To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Calm Mind Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Monday, March 13, 2006, at 10:14AM, wrote: >Dijinji wrote: >>>Question, can one be in an adrenalized situation/conflict of any sort, yet >respond with quick wit through a calm mind? Thats the whole point of >training >from my understanding.<< >Yes! The times I've found myself in life-and-death situations were the >times I was most calm; and I credit that to martial arts training. One >example (a non-war story): I was in the fast line on a freeway when a >station wagon (remember those?) full of kids in the back started drifting >into my lane. I had to make a split second decision: allow the collision >to happen or stomp on the brakes. With kids in the back of the station >wagon, I really had only one choice. I knew (beforehand) that no other >cars were around us, so I stomped on the brakes and let the car do a 180. >Engine died and cars were now approaching. I calmly turned the engine on >(if you're in panic mode you'd flood the carburetor), shifted into >reverse, sped backwards to hug the guard rail as the cars passed by. After >the cars cleared , I made a u-turn and continued on. Everything good and >fine, right? Here's the kicker: Two or three minutes later, after the >danger had passed, my body starts shaking uncontrollably (but not enough >to lose control of my driving (smile)) . Major adrenaline dump! hey man... i know that feeling well. i been in a couple of near death car situations......and i dont know what or who saved me, but thank goodness im still here. Drive to survive. peace Djinji B. > >Alex(ander Bautista Bayot France) >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Agree to some To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:16:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > You said:: > As can be inferred from the military training tenet: "The more you sweat in > training, the less you bleed in combat", we are supposed to sweat in > training, not bleed. > > Wow, this new, I never heard this before, I was in Military too, and my > Drill Surgeant never mention this to us. "The more you sweat the less you bleed" is a VERY common statement. Not sure how one would go about measuring the accuracy of it, but you do hear it all the time. In general I'd have to say it is fairly accurate... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:16:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon Broster To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Adrenal states Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Skills are best installed in a relaxed state, but more must be done to have >them appear in the adrenal state. IMHO >whatever it is we experience in the adrenal state is some of the deepest and >most powerful learning that there is. Hi, I used to know an Australian guy who worked in Austria with my dad (in a ski resort). He was a superb recreational skier (did freestyle before anyone had ever heard of it) and would always say that the time to make the best gains (ie improve your technique) was at the end of a long day (so you would be tired) in the Spring, when it was sunny (so the snow would be heavy - ie much harder work). There is undoubtedly a lot of truth to this. I supose you can look at it from the point of view of "if I can do it under those conditions I can always do it". I know that I didn't really want to hear this at the age of 12 or 13, but I took it to heart and saw my skiing benefit greatly. It seems to me that most MAists want this the other way round - what they train under ideal circumstances works in poor circumstances. Total fantasy!! How about running round the training room a few times while holding your breath - now try a couple of techniques. You can do this to induce a stress-like feeling (elevated heart rate etc). See what difference it makes. Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" http://www.pecahan.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar with Master Topher Ricketts in Maryland Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Master Topher Ricketts would like to invite you all to his seminar in Maryland. Below are details of the two-day seminar. Thank you. Jay de Leon Take advantage of this rare opportunity to train with 1st Generation Senior Disciple of the late GM Antonio "Tatang" Ilustrisimo. Master Topher brings with him decades of Martial Arts experience in Arnis-Kali-Eskrima, Shotokan Karate and Ngo Cho Kun Kung Fu to name a few. He is the Co-Author of "Secrets of Kalis Ilustrisimo", Founding Member and Chief Instructor of Bakbakan International, Highest Ranked Lameco Instructor and Boxing Coach to many Top Rated Boxers in the Philippines. Come experience the Combat Tested Principles & Strategy of Kalis Ilustrisimo by one of only a handful who know it best...Master Topher Ricketts. : April 1, 2006 Saturday Tim Anderson's Universal Martial Study Center 11810 Pike Drive Waldorf, MD 20616 Time: 10am-2pm Cost: $60 PPD by March 27th $75/at door April 2, 2006 Sunday Wilde Lake Karate Center 10451 Twin Rivers Road Columbia, MD 21044 Time: 10am-2pm Cost: $60 PPD by March 27th $75/at door Contact Guro John G. Jacobo at info@swacom.com or bakbakan@aol.com for registration and payment details! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest