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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Escribic; FMA Inhfluenced Fitness Class (Czar Peralta) 2. Re: Kalis Ilustrisimo & unarmed techniques (iPat) 3. Empty hand in London (Julian Gilmour) 4. RE: Maps (marko.ronkainen@nokia.com) 5. Re: FMA Unarmed Techniques (Al Sardinas) 6. Re: Re: Escribic; FMA Inhfluenced Fitness Class (ed garcia) 7. Re: Maps (Ray) 8. Six black belts (Ray Terry) 9. Stick Aerobics (Ollie Batts) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:51:12 -0700 From: "Czar Peralta" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Escribic; FMA Inhfluenced Fitness Class Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have been training since 2000. I've trained at NW Kali and MKG Martial Arts in the Seattle area. At both schools I trained in the Inosanto blend. I merely posed the question because the fitness class instructor was wondering if there was a way to incorporate kali sticks in their exercise program. I thought this may be an avenue to lead those physical fitness students to become martial artists. I wasn't thinking of anything like that escribic mess. So as far as diluting FMA: never going to happen. We weren't thinking of trying to create a whole new style... but simply trying to introduce some of the arts. On 4/7/06, Al Sardinas wrote: > Regarding recent posts - > I saw a demonstration of Escribic in Germany about two years ago - what an > embarrassment. > > Czar Peralta's original question - "Does anyone have any fitness ideas or > cardio exercises with the Escrima > sticks that you can describe or show me? or are there any links to any > websites that show the exercises in action? We > have a body sculpt class in our school; and by incorporating Escrima, I feel > we can generate an interest in the Filipino Martial Arts." > > No question is a bad question but Mr. Peralta's question drives me to think > the following: > What system is Mr. Peralta involved in? Who is his instructor? Is he an > instructor? How long has he been training? Does he really know what the > Filipino Martial Arts are? Generate an interest in the FMA on what level? > How diluted will the final product be? > > Respectfully, > Al Sardinas > Student of The Garimot System of Arnis > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 07:56:12 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kalis Ilustrisimo & unarmed techniques Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net you are not far from Bob Breen, an extremely good practioner on the FMA and particularly the empty hands. Was training FMA in the UK long before many had even heard of it and this brought him into contact with Guro Inosanto. On 4/8/06, Prakcion wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently studying Kalis Ilustrisimo and western boxing in London. > However I'm keen to learn more about general FMA unarmed techniques - anyone > able to point me towards some decent reference information on this? > > Regards, > > Trent Adamson -- Pat --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Julian Gilmour" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:20:02 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Empty hand in London Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all Trent, you're so lucky I read your post! My gym is in London, on Hoxton Square near Old Street tube. Loads of empty hand stuff – everything from panantukan to vale tudo (One of my instructors fights tommorrow). It also happens to be the best gym in the world, not that I’m biased or anything ;) www.bobbreen.co.uk Check out Bob’s background. Seriously though, I think Shamim, the top UK Illustrissimo guy, used to train with Bob. (Note: If this incorrect, I mean no disrespect, Shamim is definitely high level) Email me off list if you have any questions and come and have a look. Empty your cup Julian --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Maps Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:02:32 +0300 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Interesting collection of maps of the Philippines. > >http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/philippines.html Here's another good one, hi-res maps from some areas: http://www.namria.gov.ph/arch_ima.asp If you know other links, please post! - Marko --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: FMA Unarmed Techniques Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Trent writes "...However I'm keen to learn more about general FMA unarmed techniques...." Are you referring to stick vs. empty-hand or empty-hand vs. empty-hand? Tony writes - "For FMA unarmed techniques it's pretty much how you learn with the sticks it is base in unarmed situations. Most of Kali or Pekiti Tirsia they do the shivel technique or fanning their sticks and it's complicated to relate for unarmed situations." Two sentences that contradict each other? It will be hard to counter a real practitioner's stick strikes if you are empty-handed unless you are a master of footwork and timing and extremely lucky. If it's empty-handed vs. empty-handed, there ther are numerous FMA techniques besides other martial art techniques that are available. Buno anyone? Finally, when seeking knowledge just ask your instructor. He or she should know the answer. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of The Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: ed garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Escribic; FMA Inhfluenced Fitness Class To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thinking about it, Filipinos under the Spanish were forced to practice arnis under the guise of dance moves - singkil, fandango, etc. I regularly see kids in the Philippines demonstrating arnis-influenced moves with crepe paper bound sticks to the beat of a drum (no disco music, please). So did the Okinawans under American occupation, the literal translation of kata is "dance". Muay Thai's Ram Muay and Brazilian Capoeira are martial arts incorporating dance or dance-like movement. On the other hand, what if someone were to create dance moves using combat handgunning techniques or use a mock M-16 as an accessory? Gun enthusiasts will probably cringe. Just my 2 cents, no disrespect to anyone in or out of this forum. --- Czar Peralta wrote: > I have been training since 2000. I've trained at NW > Kali and MKG > Martial Arts in the Seattle area. At both schools I > trained in the > Inosanto blend. I merely posed the question because > the fitness class > instructor was wondering if there was a way to > incorporate kali sticks > in their exercise program. I thought this may be an > avenue to lead > those physical fitness students to become martial > artists. I wasn't > thinking of anything like that escribic mess. So as > far as diluting > FMA: never going to happen. We weren't thinking of > trying to create a > whole new style... but simply trying to introduce > some of the arts. > > On 4/7/06, Al Sardinas > wrote: > > Regarding recent posts - > > I saw a demonstration of Escribic in Germany about > two years ago - what an > > embarrassment. > > > > Czar Peralta's original question - "Does anyone > have any fitness ideas or > > cardio exercises with the Escrima > > sticks that you can describe or show me? or are > there any links to any > > websites that show the exercises in action? We > > have a body sculpt class in our school; and by > incorporating Escrima, I > feel > > we can generate an interest in the Filipino > Martial Arts." > > > > No question is a bad question but Mr. Peralta's > question drives me to think > > the following: > > What system is Mr. Peralta involved in? Who is his > instructor? Is he an > > instructor? How long has he been training? Does he > really know what the > > Filipino Martial Arts are? Generate an interest in > the FMA on what level? > > How diluted will the final product be? > > > > Respectfully, > > Al Sardinas > > Student of The Garimot System of Arnis > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Maps To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Here's another good one, hi-res maps from some areas: > http://www.namria.gov.ph/arch_ima.asp Is that url correct? I get a 404, page not found. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:31:33 -0700 From: "Ray Terry" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Six black belts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Lucas has been studying martial arts for more than 10 years. He holds a black belt in five other martial arts, he said, but Eskrima is his favorite." So five or six black belts in maybe twelve or so years??? Sad what the world of martial arts has become... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Broken sticks There have been a lot of them for Sterling's national champ Journal-Advocate STERLING - Athletes often keep mementos of how they got started in their careers. An ice skater might keep a pair of skates she outgrew or wore out. A basketball player might keep the ball he used to practice free throws in his driveway or a lucky jersey. Lucas Fehringer has a collection of broken sticks. Sixteen-year-old Fehringer is the world champion in double-stick Eskrima, which is a martial art that originated in the Philippines. In July, he will defend his title in the world championship held in Orlando, Fla., against at least 400 other fighters from 30 countries. He recently became the national champion for the second time, after beating a 17-year-old weighing 70 pounds more than him in double sticks at the National Championship Tournament in Milwaukee, which earned him a place in the world championship. More than 200 fighters competed at nationals. Fehringer's collection of broken sticks helps him remember what made him a champion - an immense love of the sport that most of his friends gave up when they were still children. Basically, the sport of Eskrima, also known as Kali or Arnis, involves two fighters facing each other with one or two 32-inch bamboo, rattan or wooden sticks. The fighters wear a jacket, a helmet with a mask, gloves and optional padding such as elbow and knee pads to fend off blows from fast-moving sticks. "If you don't know the rules, it looks like people just hitting each other," Fehringer said, smiling, "but there are rules." Fehringer has endured numerous welts, cuts, bruises, cracked knuckles and a lot of aches and pains to become a champion. His dad, Bill Fehringer, said Lucas has never been hurt bad enough to need a doctor, but injuries do happen to fighters, despite protective gear. "When you're in a fight, your adrenaline rush is so high, you don't feel it," Lucas said. "But the object is not to hurt, but to be a good fighter." Lucas, who normally wears black-framed glasses, does not wear them during a fight. He said people have asked him how he can see the other person's sticks coming at him without his glasses. "They ask, 'How do you see that stick?'" he said. "It's the only thing I see." "He thinks, 'The guy can't hurt me; the sticks can.' So he watches the sticks," Bill Fehringer said. Lucas has been studying martial arts for more than 10 years. He holds a black belt in five other martial arts, he said, but Eskrima is his favorite. When he was younger, he knew he wanted to try out the martial arts, but he had to be 5 years old to participate in Eskrima. On his fifth birthday, Lucas went to his first class. When he was 12, he started competing. "I've done it so long," he said. "I just thrive on it." While Lucas tried out the usual sports in middle and high school, like football and track, Bill Fehringer said, Eskrima is the only sport he really stuck with. "He's tried just about every sport in school, and this is the only one he's never said he doesn't want to go to practice," Bill Fehringer said. And practice he does. Lucas normally works out two to three times a week for several hours at a stretch when he's not working on another sport, and at least once a week during another sport's season. He has trained his entire career at Sterling's IMB, but also trains in Denver before tournaments. Bill Fehringer said Lucas has also taken over much of their garage and turned it into a practice gym, where he'll spend hours drilling with his sticks, hitting a bag and imaginary enemies. Lucas said he just tries to get in as much sparring time as possible. "What's kept me going is my own satisfaction," Lucas said. "I want to win." Yet, he doesn't brag about his accomplishments. After he won his world title, Bill Fehringer said, very few people knew about it because Lucas didn't broadcast it. "He's very modest," he said. "Probably the first time he won a national title, only five of his friends knew about it. He's a quiet champion." Yet, the title Lucas won is the equivalent to an Olympic gold medal in his sport. In Eskrima circles, he's famous. At tournaments and matches, he said, people will come up and say hi to him, knowing his name without asking. Even grand masters in the sport know his name and come up to chat with him. "There's people who know me and I have no idea who they are," he said. "That's pretty cool." Bill Fehringer said Lucas has made a lot of friends and contacts from all over the world through his sport. Although this year's world championship tournament will be held in Florida, the last one where Lucas claimed his title was held in the Philippines, which was the first time the father and son had traveled out of the country. Yet, the trip to closer-to-home Orlando will cost Lucas and his dad a lot more money. They said the plane ticket was the only major expense in getting to the Philippines because staying there was pretty cheap, but Orlando in July is just plain expensive. Unfortunately, Eskrima is not a big money-making sport. While there are a few endorsements to be won, most of the gear is made in the Philippines or appropriated from other sports, and Eskrima's visibility in the United States is not huge enough to draw in sponsorship dollars from appearing in advertising. "Expense is a big issue," Bill Fehringer said. The helmets and jackets Lucas wears to fight add up to more than $500. While the sticks are cheaper, they also get broken more quickly than the other gear, and the costs add up. But Lucas would rather fight with old gear than not fight and sacrifice things to get to that next tournament, that next level of his sport and passion. "I just love this so much," the champion said quietly. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:36:59 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Stick Aerobics Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re: "Deadly Filipino martial arts has gone mainstream? downstream? downhill? Or any publicity is good publicity, just spell my name right? Jay de Leon" If they're not doing: Eskrima/Kali/Arnis, why do people feel threatened by this? Why are they worried? Perhaps those people want to do that. It's not like we can copyright the idea of twirling a stick. Even Morris Dancers do that - to an extent! If it then raises an interest in the Filipino arts, then it's no bad thing. First get the people in the door. Pugil --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest