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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Get circumcised, and learn arnis (Eskrima-FMA) 2. Re: Get circumcised, and learn arnis (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:47:57 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Get circumcised, and learn arnis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Memories of a Tulì Bulatlat For some, it was fun, for others it was traumatic. For a young boy getting the cut or a young medical student doing the procedure, the experience of tulì or circumcision is most memorable. This summer, on top of the list of most 10 to 12-year-old boys, alongside camping and swimming, is getting tulì, or circumcision. "Magpapatuli po atsaka mag-aaral mag-arnis" (Get circumcised, and learn arnis,) casually answered a 12-year-old when asked about his summer activities. "Para maging tunay na lalaki, atsaka po para tumangkad" (So as to become a man, and to get taller), the boy added. Circumcision, the removal of the foreskin of the penis, is accepted by most Filipinos as a must for boys entering puberty, a rite of passage to manhood. There are, however, no proven benefit of circumcision. Collective experience Filmmaker Ron Papag had fond memories of a "collective experience", when he got circumcised as an eight-year-old in the province of Quezon. Papag said he and his cousins looked forward to getting their tulì one summer. The day before, each prepared a thin cloth which had a hole in the middle and will serve as the dressing for the circumcised penis. They woke up early the next day, took a dip in the sea, gathered guava sprouts, and put on loose shorts. Each boy then bought a bag of ice, and headed to Mang Arsenio, the village tolero, or the one who circumcises. As they walked, the boys rubbed the ice pack to their crotch, to numben the penis. Arriving at Mang Arsenio's house, the boys lined up and started chewing the young guava leaves. Mang Arsenio first examined the boy's foreskin. "Titingnan niya kung hiwa o pukpok" (He decides whether to make a cut or to use a small mallet), Papag said. Younger boys are usually given a cut, but older boys get the mallet. Mang Arsenio then retracted the broken skin, and asked the boy to spit out the chewed guava leaves. The mush is rubbed on the cut, after which the tolero dresses the cut. Papag said that he and his cousins stayed until Mang Arsenio is done with everyone, just to watch the procedure, which is done in full view of other boys. "Lahat nanonood kaya pipigilin mong umiyak kahit masakit," (Everybody was watching so we did not cry even if it was painful.) he said. When everyone was done, they all walked home, cowboy-like, with legs apart. The following days, he and his cousin would meet to take a bath in the sea every morning, "comparing notes" on how each one was healing. If one's cut gets "nangamatis" or infected, the others would tease, at the same time give advise on how to properly dress and treat his cut. Papag recalled the ritual to be more fun than painful, a bonding with his male cousins, and even with his favorite uncle, Tio Pepe, who also helped him dress his cut. Most of all, after the circumcision, they could do things they weren't allowed to do before. "Pag tulì ka na, pwede ka nang manligaw (Once you're circumcised, you could court girls)", Papag said smiling. Operation Tule Tulì is also a rite of passage of sorts for those doing the procedure, said Dr. B., a female doctor who requested anonymity. She had both funny and traumatic memories of having circumcised young boys in several "Operation Tulì" as a medical student. "It's a chance for medical students to have experience in minor surgery, that's why our sorority regularly took part in surgical missions in communities," said Dr. B. Dr. B's most memorable tulì experience was in a surgical mission when she was just a second year medical student, and had to help circumcise a 16-year-old. The team had set the age limit to 15 but the boy's family insisted on getting him circumcised. Dr. B and another student did the procedure, but they weren't able to stitch close all the veins. "The boy's penis had hematoma (internal bleeding), and became enlarged. We panicked because we had no licensed doctor in our team. We had to rush him to the hospital, where blood was removed from his penis, and the veins were sutured," Dr. B recalled. Apologetically, Dr. B monitored the boy's healing, visiting him everyday for a week, to clean and dress the cut. The family of the boy, who had a learning disability, blamed Dr. B for what happened and refused to take the responsibility of monitoring the boy's healing. Traumatized, Dr. B didn't want to be a doctor anymore, and refused to join anymore medical mission. But her sorority sisters persuaded her. "I joined another medical mission, and there was another 16-year-old. No way was I going to do the procedure. But my 'sisses' convinced me to do it, so that I'll find out what I did wrong before. I went on to do it, and it was OK," she said. Dr. B said that it's mostly the mothers who are eager to get their sons circumcised, anxious not to lose the opportunity to get free medical service. "But we don't force the child if he is not yet ready." Dr. B said boys who were not yet ready would cry before they even administer anaesthesia. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Get circumcised, and learn arnis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Okay, here's the survey of the week: (1) Did you get your tuli from a Mang Arsenio? (2) If so, was it hiwa or pukpok (cut or pounded)? (3) Did you do arnis the subsequent two weeks? I volunteer for the first respondent. (1) Of course not. I was a city (sissy?) boy and I got my tuli from the hospital, complete with a surgery team of a doctor, 3 assistant nurses and a huge group of observing giggling rookie nurses. (2) It was cut, sculpted, sutured and artistically bandaged. (3) Hell, no. I stayed in the house, gingerly walking around in very loose pajama pants. I would have worn a negligee, but my dad would have given me a kick in the groin. You see, he got his tuli from Mang Arsenio. Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com Eskrima-FMA wrote: Memories of a Tulì Bulatlat For some, it was fun, for others it was traumatic. For a young boy getting the cut or a young medical student doing the procedure, the experience of tulì or circumcision is most memorable. This summer, on top of the list of most 10 to 12-year-old boys, alongside camping and swimming, is getting tulì, or circumcision. "Magpapatuli po atsaka mag-aaral mag-arnis" (Get circumcised, and learn arnis,) casually answered a 12-year-old when asked about his summer activities. "Para maging tunay na lalaki, atsaka po para tumangkad" (So as to become a man, and to get taller), the boy added. Circumcision, the removal of the foreskin of the penis, is accepted by most Filipinos as a must for boys entering puberty, a rite of passage to manhood. There are, however, no proven benefit of circumcision. Collective experience Filmmaker Ron Papag had fond memories of a "collective experience", when he got circumcised as an eight-year-old in the province of Quezon. Papag said he and his cousins looked forward to getting their tulì one summer. The day before, each prepared a thin cloth which had a hole in the middle and will serve as the dressing for the circumcised penis. They woke up early the next day, took a dip in the sea, gathered guava sprouts, and put on loose shorts. Each boy then bought a bag of ice, and headed to Mang Arsenio, the village tolero, or the one who circumcises. As they walked, the boys rubbed the ice pack to their crotch, to numben the penis. Arriving at Mang Arsenio's house, the boys lined up and started chewing the young guava leaves. Mang Arsenio first examined the boy's foreskin. "Titingnan niya kung hiwa o pukpok" (He decides whether to make a cut or to use a small mallet), Papag said. Younger boys are usually given a cut, but older boys get the mallet. Mang Arsenio then retracted the broken skin, and asked the boy to spit out the chewed guava leaves. The mush is rubbed on the cut, after which the tolero dresses the cut. Papag said that he and his cousins stayed until Mang Arsenio is done with everyone, just to watch the procedure, which is done in full view of other boys. "Lahat nanonood kaya pipigilin mong umiyak kahit masakit," (Everybody was watching so we did not cry even if it was painful.) he said. When everyone was done, they all walked home, cowboy-like, with legs apart. The following days, he and his cousin would meet to take a bath in the sea every morning, "comparing notes" on how each one was healing. If one's cut gets "nangamatis" or infected, the others would tease, at the same time give advise on how to properly dress and treat his cut. Papag recalled the ritual to be more fun than painful, a bonding with his male cousins, and even with his favorite uncle, Tio Pepe, who also helped him dress his cut. Most of all, after the circumcision, they could do things they weren't allowed to do before. "Pag tulì ka na, pwede ka nang manligaw (Once you're circumcised, you could court girls)", Papag said smiling. Operation Tule Tulì is also a rite of passage of sorts for those doing the procedure, said Dr. B., a female doctor who requested anonymity. She had both funny and traumatic memories of having circumcised young boys in several "Operation Tulì" as a medical student. "It's a chance for medical students to have experience in minor surgery, that's why our sorority regularly took part in surgical missions in communities," said Dr. B. Dr. B's most memorable tulì experience was in a surgical mission when she was just a second year medical student, and had to help circumcise a 16-year-old. The team had set the age limit to 15 but the boy's family insisted on getting him circumcised. Dr. B and another student did the procedure, but they weren't able to stitch close all the veins. "The boy's penis had hematoma (internal bleeding), and became enlarged. We panicked because we had no licensed doctor in our team. We had to rush him to the hospital, where blood was removed from his penis, and the veins were sutured," Dr. B recalled. Apologetically, Dr. B monitored the boy's healing, visiting him everyday for a week, to clean and dress the cut. The family of the boy, who had a learning disability, blamed Dr. B for what happened and refused to take the responsibility of monitoring the boy's healing. Traumatized, Dr. B didn't want to be a doctor anymore, and refused to join anymore medical mission. But her sorority sisters persuaded her. "I joined another medical mission, and there was another 16-year-old. No way was I going to do the procedure. But my 'sisses' convinced me to do it, so that I'll find out what I did wrong before. I went on to do it, and it was OK," she said. Dr. B said that it's mostly the mothers who are eager to get their sons circumcised, anxious not to lose the opportunity to get free medical service. "But we don't force the child if he is not yet ready." Dr. B said boys who were not yet ready would cry before they even administer anaesthesia. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest