Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:36:26 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #126 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Pilipino Pre-Colonial History - Lim Ah Hong (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Pilipino Pre-Colonial History To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You forgot: Panahon ni Limahong Panahon ni Mahoma Limahong was a 19th (am I correct?) century Chinese pirate terrorizing the coast of Luzon until the Spaniards caught him. Don't ask me about the second guy :-) Bot --- ed garcia wrote: > Old timers used to say: > Panahon ni Lapu-lapu > Panahon ng mga Kastila > Peacetime (American occupation) > Panahon ng mga Hapon > Liberation > Panahon ng mga huk > Martial law (or nung si macoy pa presidente) > panahon ni Cory > Panahon ni Ramos > yada > yada > yada > > --- Ray wrote: > > > Interesting that the periods are Pre-Colonial, > > Colonial and Post-Colonial > > instead of Pre-Occupation and Occupation... > > > > Ray Terry > > rterry@idiom.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MaBagSikPTK@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:56:46 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Pilipino Pre-Colonial History To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is great!!! If you're training on Filipino Martial Arts or should I say, PILIPINO Fighting Arts, YOU must know the culture... If you don't know the culture, it's not really complete... Please visit: _http://pekiti-tirsia.net_ (http://pekiti-tirsia.net) for more. Salamat. Benchbody --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:46:40 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Tuli Memories !!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Memories of a Tulì - Bulatlat" narrative was so vividly pictured that it surely brought back one old memory growing in La Paz, Iloilo that had remained to these days ingrained in my heart. It's one of my best story told to american friends here in Ohio who cares to listen about my birth place and people. Either way I made them squirned and told me I was "crazy or nuts" to have subjected myself to this boyhood ritual. Anyhow, that was then and simply a rite of ritual to welcome and accept changes to a boy's life to manhood. It was voluntary and of course there's other choices and doctors available. But it is not the same!! It has huge significance particularly pride and courage. My answers to pal Jay's survey: 1) Our Tuli specialist was Carding. Blessed him and his special pinute he use to cut me!! There were four of us that special summer day. Hey,, it was a bit scarry and in fact tough guy Ray panicked and fainted. It was so funny and of course there was trash talking after the event. 2) I went first and it took only one "pukpok" . The knife was still sharp plus I hate to wait... Momoy who went last had three strikes,,boy,,, it was the first time I saw a white pinoy ever. 3) After all the craziness,,,we bought one "Balading (Big wood Keg) of Tuba (coconut wine) and got drunk!! Next day and succeeding days were of course A-1 pain!! Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Pilipino Pre-Colonial History - Lim Ah Hong To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I remember coming across an article about the notorious pirate known as Lim Ah Hong when I was a kid in the PI. I thought it was a fascinating read as best as I coud recall. Many years later when my mother was talking about her home province (Ilocos Norte) and of her father, my grandfather being of part Chinese descent... she jokingly pointed out that my grandfather was a direct descendant of one of Lim Ah Hong's bastard children. I laughed at first, but I got even more curious. So I asked my mother if it were really true. She never answered. She just grinned. Felipe Jocano wrote: You forgot: Panahon ni Limahong Panahon ni Mahoma Limahong was a 19th (am I correct?) century Chinese pirate terrorizing the coast of Luzon until the Spaniards caught him. Don't ask me about the second guy :-) Bot --- ed garcia wrote: > Old timers used to say: > Panahon ni Lapu-lapu > Panahon ng mga Kastila > Peacetime (American occupation) > Panahon ng mga Hapon > Liberation > Panahon ng mga huk > Martial law (or nung si macoy pa presidente) > panahon ni Cory > Panahon ni Ramos > yada > yada > yada > > --- Ray wrote: > > > Interesting that the periods are Pre-Colonial, > > Colonial and Post-Colonial > > instead of Pre-Occupation and Occupation... > > > > Ray Terry > > rterry@idiom.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:34:20 -0400 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tuli Memories !!! Cc: Jorge Penafiel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Jorge Thanks for sharing your tuli story... it was funny.Im glad this was taken care of when I was young.I read that you said you were from Ohio .I’m from Cincinnati and am always looking for a fma school or people to train with .Do you know of any ? FMA is not as available as in other parts of the country. ---- Jorge Penafiel wrote: > "Memories of a Tulì - Bulatlat" narrative was so vividly pictured that it > surely brought back one old memory growing in La Paz, Iloilo that had remained > to these days ingrained in my heart. It's one of my best story told to > american friends here in Ohio who cares to listen about my birth place and > people. Either way I made them squirned and told me I was "crazy or nuts" to > have subjected myself to this boyhood ritual. > Anyhow, that was then and simply a rite of ritual to welcome and accept > changes to a boy's life to manhood. It was voluntary and of course there's > other choices and doctors available. But it is not the same!! It has huge > significance particularly pride and courage. > My answers to pal Jay's survey: > 1) Our Tuli specialist was Carding. Blessed him and his special pinute he > use to cut me!! There were four of us that special summer day. Hey,, it was a > bit scarry and in fact tough guy Ray panicked and fainted. It was so funny > and of course there was trash talking after the event. > 2) I went first and it took only one "pukpok" . The knife was still sharp > plus I hate to wait... Momoy who went last had three strikes,,boy,,, it was > the first time I saw a white pinoy ever. > 3) After all the craziness,,,we bought one "Balading (Big wood Keg) of Tuba > (coconut wine) and got drunk!! Next day and succeeding days were of course > A-1 pain!! > Jorge Penafiel > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tuli Memories !!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I'm from Cincinnati and am always looking for a fma school or people to > train with. Do you know of any? I think there is a Doce Pares school in your area. Check it out. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 03:02:25 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Tuli?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In your email you stated - "There are, however, no proven benefit of circumcision." I beleive it was done for a reason which would be for hygeine for both male and female and therefore for other medical reasons. These reasons would not apply in a developed society. Therefore the reason now may be purely traditional. After tuli there would be desensitisation of the nerves. Peter Gow --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:16:02 +1000 From: ASC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tuli?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net :), I just found this out recently. The practice here in Sydney is discouraged. Apparently hardly any doctors would provide such service. Per their reason - circumcision is no longer necessary and if any it would be duly for traditional purposes. (i asked recently just three days ago) - Fairfield hospital to be exact. Peter Gow wrote: > In your email you stated - "There are, however, no proven benefit of > circumcision." > I beleive it was done for a reason which would be for hygeine for both > male and female and therefore for other medical reasons. These reasons > would not apply in a developed society. Therefore the reason now may > be purely traditional. > > After tuli there would be desensitisation of the nerves. > > Peter Gow > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Pilipino Pre-Colonial History - Lim Ah Hong To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We are all familiar with Spanish and American mestizos in the Philippines. But an interesting trivia about Phil. colonial history is that there are many Filipinos descended from colonial and other foreign marauders who made incursions into the islands, other than the Spaniards. In addition to Limahong, who terrorized Manila all the way to the Ilocos and Pangasinan, the other invaders included Dutch, English, and Portuguese colonial soldiers. The Dutch ravaged and invaded parts of the Visayas. The British contribution was the sepoy soldiers who deserted and settled in Cainta, whose dark descendants may still be seen in that part of the country. Jay de Leon Daniel Arola wrote: I remember coming across an article about the notorious pirate known as Lim Ah Hong when I was a kid in the PI. I thought it was a fascinating read as best as I coud recall. Many years later when my mother was talking about her home province (Ilocos Norte) and of her father, my grandfather being of part Chinese descent... she jokingly pointed out that my grandfather was a direct descendant of one of Lim Ah Hong's bastard children. I laughed at first, but I got even more curious. So I asked my mother if it were really true. She never answered. She just grinned. Felipe Jocano wrote: You forgot: Panahon ni Limahong Panahon ni Mahoma Limahong was a 19th (am I correct?) century Chinese pirate terrorizing the coast of Luzon until the Spaniards caught him. Don't ask me about the second guy :-) Bot --- ed garcia wrote: > Old timers used to say: > Panahon ni Lapu-lapu > Panahon ng mga Kastila > Peacetime (American occupation) > Panahon ng mga Hapon > Liberation > Panahon ng mga huk > Martial law (or nung si macoy pa presidente) > panahon ni Cory > Panahon ni Ramos > yada > yada > yada > > --- Ray wrote: > > > Interesting that the periods are Pre-Colonial, > > Colonial and Post-Colonial > > instead of Pre-Occupation and Occupation... > > > > Ray Terry > > rterry@idiom.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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