Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:04:21 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #130 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. New Ilustrados/Macario Sakay (GatPuno@aol.com) 2. Re: Tuli Memories !!! (Michael Gallagher) 3. Re: Circumcision and FMA (bgdebuque) 4. France seeks to revive cane fighting (Eskrima-FMA) 5. RE: France seeks to revive cane fighting (John Johnson) 6. Panahon sa Pinas/ Philiipine Times (GatPuno@aol.com) 7. Kombatan workshops in May and June (Alex Ercia) 8. Re: France seeks to revive cane fighting (RJ Garcia) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:01:54 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] New Ilustrados/Macario Sakay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Jay, Yes, President Macario Sakay is the proclaim President of the New Philippine Republic on 1901-1907. After Proclamation of the first Philippine Independence of June 12, 1898, Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo, was prcoclaimed first President of the Philippines. Until they realized that the "Indepencia Filipina" was hoak, so he start showing resistant to the American, that why he was exile to Hong Kong. Now, remember Macario Sakay, is Katipunero of Bulacan (Katagalugan), and Lucio de Vega is Katipunero of Batanggas with Gen. Malvar. Well after few years of waiting to their President action, which is Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo, att hat time was in exile in Hong Kong. They organized the New Katipunan, which known as Mga Ilustrados (Makabayan). 1901 The New Katipunan was organized aagainst the American, and American Lure them to the biggest festivities and promises that they willing to talk in regards of the "Indepence and pardon them from wrong doing". But at that night of the event, they were captured (Macario Sakay, Lucio de Vega and four other more Katipunero (Including my Great Granfather Lino "Bisaya" Baet as "Anino" his alias name by Katipunero), they were prison in Port Bonifacio and was hang to death on Sept. 7, 1907. Keep Note: Macario Sakay and his wife is both known"Moro-moro Player" prior of the Filipino /Spanish War of 1896. Macario Sakay is known well trained in Arnis de Mano. Okay kapatid, George, we will keep you in our spirit this eand of the month. I also forget to tell you, Jun Barja your student is doing well here and well taking care of. Thank you, Ang inyong Kapatid/your brother, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > > Kapatid Abon: >    >   Excellent historical outline.  However, this is the very first time I have > seen a historical period delineated for Macario Sakay.  While I know who he > is, and he is a very interesting historical figure, maybe you can tell us the > significance of his historical chapter.  You called it "New Ilustrados Time" > but Macario Sakay was no illustrado, or is that the point? >    >   Jay de Leon >   www.tipunan.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:26:39 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tuli Memories !!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 09:34 PM 4/30/2006, you wrote: >....I’m >from Cincinnati and am always looking for a fma school or people to train with >.Do you know of any ? FMA is not as available as in other parts of the >country. There is an Inosanto Academy affiliate in Cincinnati. See: http://www.reedacademy.com/ Hope this helps. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:16:01 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Circumcision and FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The "batangueno" (or balisong) was the blade of choice in most backyard circumcision rituals I witnessed as a young boy. The one being circumcised is first made to chew guava leaves. Once "the cut" has been made with the "batangueno" the newly-circumcised boy will spit the chewed guava leaves as an antiseptic on the wound. The wound will then be wrapped with a clean piece of white cotton cloth. Since we live near the sea, the entire batch of newly-circumcised males will troop down to the sea and soak themselves in seawater until the wound stops bleeding. A fresh batch of chewed guava leaves and white cotton cloth will then be applied to the wound. Every morning, this sea bath-and-wound dressing ritual is repeated until the wound heals completely. The "batangueno" used for circumcision is normally also the personal "carry" weapon of the acknowledged circumcision expert. > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:32:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: jay de leon > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tuli?? > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Did you want to get one? > > Two thoughts on this: > > (1) I remember reading an article about AIDS in Africa about the > correlation of infection and circumcision. It seems that the chance of > infection was greater if the man was uncircumcized than circumcized (I think > that meant the uncircumsized man was more liable to get AIDS from an > infected woman), assuming unprotected sex. > > (2) This is wild. I read that one cosmetic surgery available now is for > a circumcized guy to get a new foreskin. I assume this is a case of a guy > getting circumcized as a baby or as a young kid, and then he decides in > adulthood he prefers being uncircumcized, or wants to experience it. > > You won't believe what other cosmetic surgery is now available. Did I > hear somebody say, back to arnis? > > Jay de Leon > www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:56:24 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Le Canne similar to Hapkido...??? Report: France seeks to revive cane fighting NDTV.com Tuesday, May 2, 2006 (Paris): An old martial art, which uses long sticks to disable an opponent is being revived in France. The discipline was developed as a form of self-defence in the late 19th century in Paris to help its citizens protect themselves from the criminal elements in the city. But over the years the interest waned. Now with less than 2000 cane enthusiasts left, the sport's parent association is hoping to revive cane fighting. "The aesthetic element is really important. It is a spectacular sport because it is not meant for self-defence, but rather for competition or pleasure. "We emphasise the aesthetic nature of the movements to make them visually appealing, so that people feel they're doing something beautiful, maybe not effective, but certainly beautiful," said Frederic Morin, President, Combat Cane Sporting Association. The sport of Combat Cane fighting is similar to the Japanese art form of Kendo or its Korean cousin Hapkido. The equipment is fairly basic. Apart from the cane, one needs some padding and protective headgear. Combat cane fighting, for now, is on a promotional battle all over France to try and raise its profile. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:11:06 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think I speak for many people here, but if it's not effective and practical, then what is the point. A cane is so inconspicuous a weapon that you can carry it with you everywhere, why not focus on effective fighting with it, this just sounds silly to me, especially with the way things are going in France and around the world these days. If you are going to carry a stick, learn to use the darn thing. Peace Out John >"The aesthetic element is really important. It is a spectacular sport >because it is not meant for self-defence, but rather for competition >or pleasure. > >"We emphasise the aesthetic nature of the movements to make them >visually appealing, so that people feel they're doing something >beautiful, maybe not effective, but certainly beautiful," said >Frederic Morin, President, Combat Cane Sporting Association. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:52:36 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Panahon sa Pinas/ Philiipine Times Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Jay, George and Bot, This is great to line up more "historical line up" in FMA, here I also realized few that I missed on the "Noong Lumang Panahon (Ages Time). That link to the used of Arnis and Eskrima. See some of the additional time in Philippine History see the line up at the bottom of this e-mail . > > Kapatid Abon: >    >   Excellent historical outline.  However, this is the very first time I have > seen a historical period delineated for Macario Sakay.  While I know who he > is, and he is a very interesting historical figure, maybe you can tell us the > significance of his historical chapter.  You called it "New Ilustrados Time" > but Macario Sakay was no illustrado, or is that the point? >    >   Jay de Leon >   www.tipunan.com > > GatPuno@aol.com wrote: >   Bot, > > Let's try to complete this historically line up from top to bottom. > > Panahon ni Cupung-cupung (Forgotten Time) > Panahon ng mga Itim/Aeta (Negroid Time) 5th Century > Panahon ng Indo/Malaya at Muslim (Pre-Colonial Time) 12th -13th Century > Panahon ng Kastila (Spanish Time/ Colonial Time) 15th Century > Panahon ni Sulayman (Sulayman Time) 1570 Panahon ni Hermanong Pule (First Rebelous Time) 1600 Panahon ng Moro-moro (FMA Banned Time) 1610 > Panahon ng Ingles (English Time) 17th Century > Panahon ni Li-Mah-Hung (Pirate Time) 18th Century > Panhon ng Katipunero (KKK Time) 1894 > Panahon ni Rizal (Jose Rizal Time) 1896 > Panahon ng Kano (American Time/Peace Time) 1898 > Panahon ni Macario Sakay (New Ilustrados Time) 1901-1907 > Panahon ng Hapon (Japanese Invasion/Japanese Time) 1941 > Panahon ng Hukbalahap ( Guirilla Time) 1942 > Pagbalik ng Kano (Mc ArthurTime) 1945 > Panahon ng Liberasyon (Liberation Time) 1945 > Panahon ng Huk (Bandits Time) 1950 > Panahon ni Masgsaysay (President Magsaysay)1950 > Panhon ni Marcos (President Marcos Time) 1969 > Panahon Laban ng Masa (People Power Time) 1986 > Panahon ni Cory (Corazon Aquino Time) 1986 Panahon ni Kudeta (Cooped Attemp Time) Panahon ni Ramos (Fidel Ramos Time) Panhon ni Erap (Joseph Estrada Time) Panhon ni Arroyo (Gloria Arroyo Time) Okay Bot, add the date on the rest of the President, ala na ako diyan noon ( I am not there on this time already).. kapatid, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:21:58 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Kombatan workshops in May and June Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi everyone we have two upcoming workshops in Kombatan. May 27,2006 Saturday 10AM TO 3PM PAMANA SA MANDIRIGMA (WARRIOR'S LEGACY) INTERNATIONAL PHILIPPINE MARTIAL ARTS FEDERATION USA HQ IN COORDINATION WITH A.R.M.A.S. USA PROUDLY PRESENTS: A BANKAW/ BO STAFF WORKSHOP IN THIS WORKSHOP WE WILL SHARE WITH YOU HOW TO TWIRL THE BANKAW, ABECEDARIO/ BASIC FOUNDATION, TECHNIQUES/ DEPENSA OPENSIBA, AND A TWO MAN FLOW DRILL OF PALIT PALIT. PLEASE BRING A STAFF TO THIS WORKSHOP, A CUP FOR THE MEN, EYE PROTECTION AND WEAR SNEAKERS TO PROTECT YOUR TOES. THIS WILL BE OUTDOORS FOR MORE SPACE. WORKSHOP FEE $50.00 ADDRESS: CLUB ONE FITNESS 440 HACIENDA BLVD. PLEASANTON CA 94588 CONTACT: LORIE MONTGOMERY @ 925 734 6384 EMAIL: ALEX ERCIA @ lakanduli1@yahoo.com or alexercia@hotmail.com HUMBLE DRAGON MARTIAL ARTS IN COORDINATION WITH A.R.M.A.S. USA WILL BE CONDUCTION A 2 DAY KOMBATAN WORKSHOP: JUNE 17 SATURDAY 9AM-12PM BASIC FOUNDATION OF SOLO BASTON AND DOBLE BASTON BASIC SINAWALI WORKSHOP. THIS IS GOOD INTRODUCTORY WORKSHOP FOR ALL BEGINNERS IN THE FMA. WE WILL DEAL WITH THE DOBLE BASTON BASIC SINAWALI DRILLS. AND FINISH OFF WITH SOME SOLO BASTON BASICS SUCH AS ABECEDARIO/BASIC FOUNDATION, BIGAY TAMA DRILLS TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. JUNE 17 1PM-4PM INTERMEDIATE TO ADVANCE WORKSHOP ON DOBLE BASTON AND SOLO BASTON: TOPICS INCLUDED IN DOBLE BASTON TECHNIQUES, DISARMS, AND PALIT PALIT DRILL TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. TOPICS INCLUDED IN SOLO BASTON INCLUDE RELEASING TECHNIQUE/WEAPON RETENTION, DISARMING TECHNIQUES, PALIT PALIT DRILLS OR TWO MAN GIVE AND TAKE DRILL. THIS WORKSHOP WILL INTRODUCE YOU TO KOMBATAN'S CONCEPTS AND PRINCIPLES. JUNE 18 SUNDAY 1PM-4PM ESPADA Y DAGA WORKSHOP WE WILL SHARE WITH YOU THE ESPADA Y DAGA METHOD OF KOMBATAN. WE WILL SHOW THE ABECEDARIO, DEPENSA OPENSIBA, DISARMS , LOCKS OR TIE UPS. AND A TWO MAN FLOW DRILL. ADDRESS FOR THE 2 DAY WORKSHOP WILL BE @ 580 TRINITY DRIVE VACAVILLE CA 95687 FOR MORE INFORMATION AND WORKSHOP FEES PLEASE CONTACT: MRS. PEGG @ 707-447-7699 THESE WORKSHOPS WILL BE CONDUCTED BY GURO ALEX ERCIA, CERTIFIED MASTER INSTRUCTOR UNDER GM ERNESTO PRESAS SR. SEE YOU THERE! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 02:27:46 +0100 (BST) From: RJ Garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think the journalist who wrote this article just wanted to compare the movements of contemporary Le Canne to the spinning moves of Korean martial arts (why they used Hapkido instead if Taekwondo or Hai Don Gum Do, though, I don't know). I have seen a demonstration of this, and in their demo it was presented as a sort of weapon component of Savate. They liked to do both standing and low spinning backhand strikes, where the low backhands used footwork that's similar to a reverse spinning/white crane sweep. Also, they liked to do a sort of figure 8 witik used to block the opponent's strikes and as a set up for their spinning moves. RJ --- Eskrima-FMA wrote: > Le Canne similar to Hapkido...??? > > > Report: France seeks to revive cane fighting > NDTV.com > Tuesday, May 2, 2006 (Paris): > > An old martial art, which uses long sticks to > disable an opponent is > being revived in France. > > The discipline was developed as a form of > self-defence in the late > 19th century in Paris to help its citizens protect > themselves from the > criminal elements in the city. > > But over the years the interest waned. Now with less > than 2000 cane > enthusiasts left, the sport's parent association is > hoping to revive > cane fighting. > > "The aesthetic element is really important. It is a > spectacular sport > because it is not meant for self-defence, but rather > for competition > or pleasure. > > "We emphasise the aesthetic nature of the movements > to make them > visually appealing, so that people feel they're > doing something > beautiful, maybe not effective, but certainly > beautiful," said > Frederic Morin, President, Combat Cane Sporting > Association. > > The sport of Combat Cane fighting is similar to the > Japanese art form > of Kendo or its Korean cousin Hapkido. > > The equipment is fairly basic. Apart from the cane, > one needs some > padding and protective headgear. > > Combat cane fighting, for now, is on a promotional > battle all over > France to try and raise its profile. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest