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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: France seeks to revive cane fighting (Daniel Arola) 2. RE: France seeks to revive cane fighting (Joseph Marana) 3. Filipina maid/slave repulses rape attempt (Marc Denny) 4. Re: France seeks to revive cane fighting (Ray) 5. RE: France seeks to revive cane fighting (Joseph Marana) 6. Re: Filipina maid/slave repulses rape attempt (Daniel Arola) 7. Re: Macario Sakay and the post-Aguinaldo surrender "bandits" (bgdebuque) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I dig it! I'd love to see more of this. Daniel Arola http:www.myspace.com/DanielArola RJ Garcia wrote: I think the journalist who wrote this article just wanted to compare the movements of contemporary Le Canne to the spinning moves of Korean martial arts (why they used Hapkido instead if Taekwondo or Hai Don Gum Do, though, I don't know). I have seen a demonstration of this, and in their demo it was presented as a sort of weapon component of Savate. They liked to do both standing and low spinning backhand strikes, where the low backhands used footwork that's similar to a reverse spinning/white crane sweep. Also, they liked to do a sort of figure 8 witik used to block the opponent's strikes and as a set up for their spinning moves. RJ --- Eskrima-FMA wrote: > Le Canne similar to Hapkido...??? > > > Report: France seeks to revive cane fighting > NDTV.com > Tuesday, May 2, 2006 (Paris): > > An old martial art, which uses long sticks to > disable an opponent is > being revived in France. > > The discipline was developed as a form of > self-defence in the late > 19th century in Paris to help its citizens protect > themselves from the > criminal elements in the city. > > But over the years the interest waned. Now with less > than 2000 cane > enthusiasts left, the sport's parent association is > hoping to revive > cane fighting. > > "The aesthetic element is really important. It is a > spectacular sport > because it is not meant for self-defence, but rather > for competition > or pleasure. > > "We emphasise the aesthetic nature of the movements > to make them > visually appealing, so that people feel they're > doing something > beautiful, maybe not effective, but certainly > beautiful," said > Frederic Morin, President, Combat Cane Sporting > Association. > > The sport of Combat Cane fighting is similar to the > Japanese art form > of Kendo or its Korean cousin Hapkido. > > The equipment is fairly basic. Apart from the cane, > one needs some > padding and protective headgear. > > Combat cane fighting, for now, is on a promotional > battle all over > France to try and raise its profile. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on Yahoo! FareChase --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:13:27 -0700 From: "Joseph Marana" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was always under the impression that the cane (hooked cane) was a weapon unique to Hapkido. Joe -----Original Message----- From: RJ Garcia [mailto:scythe_rj@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:28 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting I think the journalist who wrote this article just wanted to compare the movements of contemporary Le Canne to the spinning moves of Korean martial arts (why they used Hapkido instead if Taekwondo or Hai Don Gum Do, though, I don't know). I have seen a demonstration of this, and in their demo it was presented as a sort of weapon component of Savate. They liked to do both standing and low spinning backhand strikes, where the low backhands used footwork that's similar to a reverse spinning/white crane sweep. Also, they liked to do a sort of figure 8 witik used to block the opponent's strikes and as a set up for their spinning moves. RJ --- Eskrima-FMA wrote: > Le Canne similar to Hapkido...??? > > > Report: France seeks to revive cane fighting > NDTV.com > Tuesday, May 2, 2006 (Paris): > > An old martial art, which uses long sticks to > disable an opponent is > being revived in France. > > The discipline was developed as a form of > self-defence in the late > 19th century in Paris to help its citizens protect > themselves from the > criminal elements in the city. > > But over the years the interest waned. Now with less > than 2000 cane > enthusiasts left, the sport's parent association is > hoping to revive > cane fighting. > > "The aesthetic element is really important. It is a > spectacular sport > because it is not meant for self-defence, but rather > for competition > or pleasure. > > "We emphasise the aesthetic nature of the movements > to make them > visually appealing, so that people feel they're > doing something > beautiful, maybe not effective, but certainly > beautiful," said > Frederic Morin, President, Combat Cane Sporting > Association. > > The sport of Combat Cane fighting is similar to the > Japanese art form > of Kendo or its Korean cousin Hapkido. > > The equipment is fairly basic. Apart from the cane, > one needs some > padding and protective headgear. > > Combat cane fighting, for now, is on a promotional > battle all over > France to try and raise its profile. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:18:07 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Filipina maid/slave repulses rape attempt Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yip! Maid Inspired by Lorena Bobbit Arab News RIYADH, 2 May 2006 - Authorities have opened an investigation into a case of a severed penis belonging to an alleged rapist, the Okaz daily reported. A man arrived at an emergency room in the capital with his severed penis, which was reattached after speedy surgery. According to the report, the man allegedly snuck into his maid's quarters after his wife had gone to sleep and attempted to rape her. The Filipina managed to escape his advances, rushed into the kitchen and got a knife. Despite her weapon, the man attempted to assault the maid, who, in return, pulled a "Lorena Bobbit" defense and cut off the man's penis. Bobbit was the New Jersey woman who, in a high-profile 1993 case in the US, severed her husband's penis with an eight-inch carving knife. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I was always under the impression that the cane (hooked cane) was a weapon > unique to Hapkido. Ahh, good point. Perhaps that is the link of which they were thinking. Of course the typical Hapkido cane is very different from the cane used in French le canne (sp?) and the techniques are very different, but the standard walking cane is oft linked with Hapkido. Hapkido cane techniques reminds me more of Cacoy's Eskrido. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:33:43 -0700 From: "Joseph Marana" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Oops, I didn't mean unique. I meant to say I have always associated the cane with Hapkido (as opposed to other Korean arts). Maybe thats why that comparison in particular was made. Joe -----Original Message----- From: RJ Garcia [mailto:scythe_rj@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:28 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting I think the journalist who wrote this article just wanted to compare the movements of contemporary Le Canne to the spinning moves of Korean martial arts (why they used Hapkido instead if Taekwondo or Hai Don Gum Do, though, I don't know). I have seen a demonstration of this, and in their demo it was presented as a sort of weapon component of Savate. They liked to do both standing and low spinning backhand strikes, where the low backhands used footwork that's similar to a reverse spinning/white crane sweep. Also, they liked to do a sort of figure 8 witik used to block the opponent's strikes and as a set up for their spinning moves. RJ --- Eskrima-FMA wrote: > Le Canne similar to Hapkido...??? > > > Report: France seeks to revive cane fighting > NDTV.com > Tuesday, May 2, 2006 (Paris): > > An old martial art, which uses long sticks to > disable an opponent is > being revived in France. > > The discipline was developed as a form of > self-defence in the late > 19th century in Paris to help its citizens protect > themselves from the > criminal elements in the city. > > But over the years the interest waned. Now with less > than 2000 cane > enthusiasts left, the sport's parent association is > hoping to revive > cane fighting. > > "The aesthetic element is really important. It is a > spectacular sport > because it is not meant for self-defence, but rather > for competition > or pleasure. > > "We emphasise the aesthetic nature of the movements > to make them > visually appealing, so that people feel they're > doing something > beautiful, maybe not effective, but certainly > beautiful," said > Frederic Morin, President, Combat Cane Sporting > Association. > > The sport of Combat Cane fighting is similar to the > Japanese art form > of Kendo or its Korean cousin Hapkido. > > The equipment is fairly basic. Apart from the cane, > one needs some > padding and protective headgear. > > Combat cane fighting, for now, is on a promotional > battle all over > France to try and raise its profile. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipina maid/slave repulses rape attempt To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Don't mess with a Filipina woman. Hahahaha! Marc Denny wrote: Yip! Maid Inspired by Lorena Bobbit Arab News RIYADH, 2 May 2006 - Authorities have opened an investigation into a case of a severed penis belonging to an alleged rapist, the Okaz daily reported. A man arrived at an emergency room in the capital with his severed penis, which was reattached after speedy surgery. According to the report, the man allegedly snuck into his maid's quarters after his wife had gone to sleep and attempted to rape her. The Filipina managed to escape his advances, rushed into the kitchen and got a knife. Despite her weapon, the man attempted to assault the maid, who, in return, pulled a "Lorena Bobbit" defense and cut off the man's penis. Bobbit was the New Jersey woman who, in a high-profile 1993 case in the US, severed her husband's penis with an eight-inch carving knife. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 00:01:19 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Macario Sakay and the post-Aguinaldo surrender "bandits" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sakay and Lucio de Vega belonged to a ragtag group of independence fighters who continued fighting against the Americans long after the surrender of Aguinaldo. The well-known members of the group included Artemio Ricarte, Benito Santa Ana, Faustino Guillermo, San Miguel (whose first name I cannot recall) and Julian Montolan. A law was specifically passed by the American colonial government to de-glorify their continued revolutionary activities and classify them legally as mere "bandits". Benito Santa Ana was eventually prevailed upon by his family to surrender (but not before he managed to burn down the Pasig church in the Christmas eve of 1902 or 1903 during one of his infamous raids). I think the mansion of his descendants in Pasig still displays the bust of Jose Rizal at its gate. Julian Montolan also eventually surrendered. Faustino Guillermo I think was wounded and captured after a firefight in Marikina but died before he can be hanged. Artemio Ricarte remained anti-American until he died. He even returned to the Philippines as a Colonel in the Japanese Imperial Army during WWII (but probably quickly realized that, all things considered, the Japanese occupation is even more vicious than the American one he witnessed 40 years earlier). I think most of them are really the original followers of Bonifacio and only grudgingly acknowledged the leadership of Aguinaldo after his "Cavite coup" in order not to weaken the revolution against Spain. This explains why when Aguinaldo first capitulated to Spain at Biak-Na-Bato and ordered a cessation of hostilities, they ignored him and just kept on fighting. When Aguinaldo was captured in Palanan and ordered a general surrender to the Americans, they also completely ignored him and just kept on fighting. Based on the pictures or descriptions I have seen, Sakay, De Vega and Montolan are Malay Filipinos. Ricarte and San Miguel are Mestizo Filipinos. Guillermo is primarily caucasian in terms of facial features and is probably almost pure Spanish by blood. I have not yet seen a picture of Santa Ana (someone could probably try to look it up in the internet). > > Message: 1 > From: GatPuno@aol.com > Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:01:54 EDT > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] New Ilustrados/Macario Sakay > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Kapatid Jay, > > Yes, President Macario Sakay is the proclaim President of the New > Philippine > Republic on 1901-1907. > After Proclamation of the first Philippine Independence of June 12, 1898, > Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo, was prcoclaimed first President of the Philippines. > Until > they realized that the "Indepencia Filipina" was hoak, so he start showing > resistant to the American, that why he was exile to Hong Kong. Now, > remember > Macario Sakay, is Katipunero of Bulacan (Katagalugan), and Lucio de Vega > is > Katipunero of Batanggas with Gen. Malvar. Well after few years of waiting > to > their > President action, which is Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo, att hat time was in > exile in > Hong Kong. They organized the New Katipunan, which known as Mga Ilustrados > (Makabayan). 1901 The New Katipunan was organized aagainst the American, > and > American Lure them to the biggest festivities and promises that they > willing > to > talk in regards of the "Indepence and pardon them from wrong doing". But > at > that > night of the event, they were captured (Macario Sakay, Lucio de Vega and > four > other more Katipunero (Including my Great Granfather Lino "Bisaya" Baet as > "Anino" his alias name by Katipunero), they were prison in Port Bonifacio > and > was hang to death on Sept. 7, 1907. > > Keep Note: Macario Sakay and his wife is both known"Moro-moro Player" > prior > of the Filipino /Spanish War of 1896. Macario Sakay is known well trained > in > Arnis de Mano. > > Okay kapatid, George, we will keep you in our spirit this eand of the > month. > I also forget to tell you, Jun Barja your student is doing well here and > well > taking care of. Thank you, > > Ang inyong Kapatid/your brother, > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > > > > > > Kapatid Abon: > > > > Excellent historical outline. However, this is the very first time I > have > > seen a historical period delineated for Macario Sakay. While I know who > he > > is, and he is a very interesting historical figure, maybe you can tell > us > the > > significance of his historical chapter. You called it "New Ilustrados > Time" > > but Macario Sakay was no illustrado, or is that the point? > > > > Jay de Leon > > www.tipunan.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest