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Canne de Combat (Ollie Batts) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Filipina maid/slave repulses rape attempt Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 00:21:18 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net US Statistics: A woman who fights back gains around an 86% chance of avoiding the rape and she incurs little chance of injury. (Most injuries are sustained BEFORE the woman starts fighting back.) Women who used knives or guns in self defense were raped less than 1% of the time. (Kleck and Sayles, 1990). More power to the woman!!! Sonny >From: "Marc Denny" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Filipina maid/slave repulses rape attempt >Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:18:07 -0700 > >Yip! > > >Maid Inspired by Lorena Bobbit >Arab News RIYADH, 2 May 2006 - Authorities have opened an investigation >into a case of a severed penis belonging to an alleged rapist, the Okaz >daily reported. A man arrived at an emergency room in the capital with his >severed penis, which was reattached after speedy surgery. According to the >report, the man allegedly snuck into his maid's quarters after his wife had >gone to sleep and attempted to rape her. The Filipina managed to escape his >advances, rushed into the kitchen and got a knife. Despite her weapon, the >man attempted to assault the maid, who, in return, pulled a "Lorena Bobbit" >defense and cut off the man's penis. Bobbit was the New Jersey woman who, >in a high-profile 1993 case in the US, severed her husband's penis with an >eight-inch carving knife. _______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:05:51 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Great Historical Fact/Sakay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You did your home work great post, this is very truth, all of them are member of the original "Supremo Andres Bonifacio" and the group of General Emilio Aguinaldo join Katipunan after hearing the massive attraction of member in katipunan in 7 provinces. But due from apprent reason Aguinaldo charged Andres and his brother of wrong doing was assasinated in Maragondon. This is only to proved that Gen Aguinaldo Politically right to be the head of the "Katipunan", which few of the member is start to distance from General Aguinaldo, like Gen Malvar of Batangas, a woman General Agueda Kahabagan of Calauan, Laguna, even Jose Rizal brother General Protacio Rizal od Calamba, Laguna. During the sege of Aguinaldo by the American, Aguinaldo run to Bulacan protected by Gen Emilio Jacinto, but flee to go to Laguna under protection of Gen Leon Afu of Paete Laguna, from there he was captured on the the way back home in Kawit, Kavite, was in prison, then exile. Due from the numerous attemp raids to now is Port Bonifacio and rescue him from the hand of Americans. Due from this conflict, and sending Aguinaldo away from the Philippines, American thoughs that all of the "Bandits" as you call decided to proclaimed Macario Sakay as the new President of the New Republic. But lacks of support from the old comrads, easily captured Sakay, Lucio de Vega and the others and hang to death to scare other Katipunan member of continue revolt against Americans. But this is only triggered more Filipino to fight American in "Guerilla Warfare", ambush attack etc. If you remember due form this conflict, those at the time where "General Henry Lawton" American heroes capturing the Indian Chief "Geronimo", well he was killed by the Filipino "Geronimo" in the name of General Licerio Geronimo, in Rizal, to the town of the FMA "Sikaran Founder" Geronimo also. Well it is good to see how the FMA is used by this group of Filipino fighter. But after all of this battle, due from the new war weapons, un-stopable am munition of the Americans Filipino fighters has no match to their force. You know in Filipino old saying "If you cant fight them then join them" that what happen. Massive surrendered happen after few days of fighting in Laguna and Rizal at that time called Morong. Salamat, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation international Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot - USA www.garimot.com > Sakay and Lucio de Vega belonged to a ragtag group of independence fighters > who continued fighting against the Americans long after the surrender of > Aguinaldo.  The well-known members of the group included Artemio Ricarte, > Benito Santa Ana, Faustino Guillermo, San Miguel (whose first name I cannot > recall) and Julian Montolan.  A law was specifically passed by the American > colonial government to de-glorify their continued revolutionary activities > and classify them legally as mere "bandits". > > Benito Santa Ana was eventually prevailed upon by his family to surrender > (but not before he managed to burn down the Pasig church in the Christmas > eve of 1902 or 1903 during one of his infamous raids).  I think the mansion > of his descendants in Pasig still displays the bust of Jose Rizal at its > gate.   Julian Montolan also eventually surrendered. > > Faustino Guillermo I think was wounded and captured after a firefight in > Marikina but died before he can be hanged. > > Artemio Ricarte remained anti-American until he died.  He even returned to > the Philippines as a Colonel in the Japanese Imperial Army during WWII (but > probably quickly realized that, all things considered, the Japanese > occupation is even more vicious than the American one he witnessed 40 years > earlier). > > I think most of them are really the original followers of Bonifacio and only > grudgingly acknowledged the leadership of Aguinaldo after his "Cavite > coup" in order not to weaken the revolution against Spain.  This explains > why when Aguinaldo first capitulated to Spain at Biak-Na-Bato and ordered a > cessation of hostilities, they ignored him and just kept on fighting.  When > Aguinaldo was captured in Palanan and ordered a general surrender to the > Americans,  they also completely ignored him and just kept on fighting. > > Based on the pictures or descriptions I have seen, Sakay, De Vega and > Montolan are Malay Filipinos. Ricarte and San Miguel are Mestizo Filipinos. > Guillermo is primarily caucasian in terms of facial  features and is > probably almost pure Spanish by blood.  I have not yet seen a picture of > Santa Ana (someone could probably try to look it up in the internet). --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:21:50 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] La-Canne of France Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, I just want to share this though, base on what I have seen in documemtary on TFC-Filipino Channel. It was Stick fighting pattern after the Saber and Fencing arts of France, in fact it was a fascinating to watch, their arts is based on Largo mano style, but not limited the used of twirling like figure eight is common techniques and the turning strike is common used in in fighting and switching weapon fromn left to the left is common. To me is also a beautiful art to add to your practice. Their stick is longer arounf 40" but thinner than what we FMA used to. Off-course if you are the one fighting them, it would be different ball game, I can see that their style is limited to center footwork, while we FMA is used to Triagle footwork, but if you watch them, it also impressive, their low hight posture and low high strike and combo.. In rgards of the "Hapkido" comparison, i am not in any claimed master of La-canne and Hapkido, I just want to share my observaation. Hapkido is combination of Judo/Aikido type techniques, utilize joint locks and then trow their opponent to the ground, while the "La-Canne" is used more for hitting that anything else, they used take down exactly asthe saber fighter used their take down sweeps and re-directing techniques, or by passing their own energy towrds the direction of the power. So my own opinion or observation is the two arts is night and day. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Great Historical Fact/Sakay To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One intriguing mystery in these historical times was, did General Emilio Aguinaldo order the assassination of supremo Andres Bonifacio? My college history professor, a famous writer and historian named Dr. Marcelino Foronda, told us this interesting anecdote. He interviewed Aguinaldo when Aguinaldo was old, but still lucid. He said he was tempted to ask Aguinaldo that question, but chickened out. So my professor claims that Aguinaldo carried that secret to his grave. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com (same derivative as Bonifacio's Katipunan) GatPuno@aol.com wrote: You did your home work great post, this is very truth, all of them are member of the original "Supremo Andres Bonifacio" and the group of General Emilio Aguinaldo join Katipunan after hearing the massive attraction of member in katipunan in 7 provinces. But due from apprent reason Aguinaldo charged Andres and his brother of wrong doing was assasinated in Maragondon. This is only to proved that Gen Aguinaldo Politically right to be the head of the "Katipunan", which few of the member is start to distance from General Aguinaldo, like Gen Malvar of Batangas, a woman General Agueda Kahabagan of Calauan, Laguna, even Jose Rizal brother General Protacio Rizal od Calamba, Laguna. During the sege of Aguinaldo by the American, Aguinaldo run to Bulacan protected by Gen Emilio Jacinto, but flee to go to Laguna under protection of Gen Leon Afu of Paete Laguna, from there he was captured on the the way back home in Kawit, Kavite, was in prison, then exile. Due from the numerous attemp raids to now is Port Bonifacio and rescue him from the hand of Americans. Due from this conflict, and sending Aguinaldo away from the Philippines, American thoughs that all of the "Bandits" as you call decided to proclaimed Macario Sakay as the new President of the New Republic. But lacks of support from the old comrads, easily captured Sakay, Lucio de Vega and the others and hang to death to scare other Katipunan member of continue revolt against Americans. But this is only triggered more Filipino to fight American in "Guerilla Warfare", ambush attack etc. If you remember due form this conflict, those at the time where "General Henry Lawton" American heroes capturing the Indian Chief "Geronimo", well he was killed by the Filipino "Geronimo" in the name of General Licerio Geronimo, in Rizal, to the town of the FMA "Sikaran Founder" Geronimo also. Well it is good to see how the FMA is used by this group of Filipino fighter. But after all of this battle, due from the new war weapons, un-stopable am munition of the Americans Filipino fighters has no match to their force. You know in Filipino old saying "If you cant fight them then join them" that what happen. Massive surrendered happen after few days of fighting in Laguna and Rizal at that time called Morong. Salamat, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation international Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot - USA www.garimot.com > Sakay and Lucio de Vega belonged to a ragtag group of independence fighters > who continued fighting against the Americans long after the surrender of > Aguinaldo. The well-known members of the group included Artemio Ricarte, > Benito Santa Ana, Faustino Guillermo, San Miguel (whose first name I cannot > recall) and Julian Montolan. A law was specifically passed by the American > colonial government to de-glorify their continued revolutionary activities > and classify them legally as mere "bandits". > > Benito Santa Ana was eventually prevailed upon by his family to surrender > (but not before he managed to burn down the Pasig church in the Christmas > eve of 1902 or 1903 during one of his infamous raids). I think the mansion > of his descendants in Pasig still displays the bust of Jose Rizal at its > gate. Julian Montolan also eventually surrendered. > > Faustino Guillermo I think was wounded and captured after a firefight in > Marikina but died before he can be hanged. > > Artemio Ricarte remained anti-American until he died. He even returned to > the Philippines as a Colonel in the Japanese Imperial Army during WWII (but > probably quickly realized that, all things considered, the Japanese > occupation is even more vicious than the American one he witnessed 40 years > earlier). > > I think most of them are really the original followers of Bonifacio and only > grudgingly acknowledged the leadership of Aguinaldo after his "Cavite > coup" in order not to weaken the revolution against Spain. This explains > why when Aguinaldo first capitulated to Spain at Biak-Na-Bato and ordered a > cessation of hostilities, they ignored him and just kept on fighting. When > Aguinaldo was captured in Palanan and ordered a general surrender to the > Americans, they also completely ignored him and just kept on fighting. > > Based on the pictures or descriptions I have seen, Sakay, De Vega and > Montolan are Malay Filipinos. Ricarte and San Miguel are Mestizo Filipinos. > Guillermo is primarily caucasian in terms of facial features and is > probably almost pure Spanish by blood. I have not yet seen a picture of > Santa Ana (someone could probably try to look it up in the internet). _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:10:15 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Filipina maid/slave repulses rape attempt Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net +++ According to the report, the man allegedly snuck into his maid's quarters after his wife had gone to sleep and attempted to rape her. The Filipina managed to escape his advances, rushed into the kitchen and got a knife. Despite her weapon, the man attempted to assault the maid, who, in return, pulled a "Lorena Bobbit" defense and cut off the man's penis. ==== This kind of news usually sends shrivers to my spine. It's not because the lady concern here is "filipina" but the words "maid/slave". There is no more such things today!!! What these group of working women usually under privilege from third world countries just wanting to earn a living are now referred to as Domestic Employees to give meaning and class to their work and job description.. See, the idiot above deserves it, his wife was around and sleeping in their bedroom yet got the nerves to do his evil intentions. More so, he was warned with a kitchen knife. At this point the guy should have stop, but nonetheless, guess this SickO is beyond help. In a way, though still a crime to severe one's penis ,,,few women don't give a crap if their womanhood is about to be taken from them. A great deterrent for the molesters out there and hope the court judge sees this as self-defense and send this man to prison where "Bubba" is waiting for him. I heard that prison guys dislikes rapist or any crime committed against women in general - code of ethics sort of with some men even criminals. As far as knife training, I guess the women folks knows one additional target area. Funny thing,,guys that fools around better sleep with one eye open or wear your cup with your 'jamas"...hehehe... Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:50:43 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Canne de Combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net They never stopped teaching Canne de Combat in France. Where have you guys been? If you go to the French Savate Federation's website and search for Cane in the clubs you'll find loads of them. I was also team Captain of the Great Britain squad who flew to Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean in 2004 (free of charge from France) to take part in the World Championships. The European Championships will take place in Strasbourg on 21/22nd October. If anyone wants more details they can e-mail me for the pdf flier. Anyone who makes the trip to spectate will be amazed at the level of skill displayed - I kid you not. I also have 2005 French Savate Combat (full-contact) Championships DVD's available for sale which feature a superb display of Canne de Combat in the interval. And finally, is it like Hapkido? No! It's nothing like! Ollie Batts Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:56:24 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] France seeks to revive cane fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Le Canne similar to Hapkido...??? Report: France seeks to revive cane fighting NDTV.com Tuesday, May 2, 2006 (Paris): An old martial art, which uses long sticks to disable an opponent is being revived in France. The discipline was developed as a form of self-defence in the late 19th century in Paris to help its citizens protect themselves from the criminal elements in the city. But over the years the interest waned. Now with less than 2000 cane enthusiasts left, the sport's parent association is hoping to revive cane fighting. "The aesthetic element is really important. It is a spectacular sport because it is not meant for self-defence, but rather for competition or pleasure. "We emphasise the aesthetic nature of the movements to make them visually appealing, so that people feel they're doing something beautiful, maybe not effective, but certainly beautiful," said Frederic Morin, President, Combat Cane Sporting Association. The sport of Combat Cane fighting is similar to the Japanese art form of Kendo or its Korean cousin Hapkido. The equipment is fairly basic. Apart from the cane, one needs some padding and protective headgear. Combat cane fighting, for now, is on a promotional battle all over France to try and raise its profile. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest