Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 03:00:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #136 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Great Historical Fact/Sakay (nephalim1@netscape.net) 2. Filipina in Saudi Arabia (Bill McGrath) 3. FMA in Singapore (Bill McGrath) 4. Re: Great Historical Fact/Sakay (nephalim1@netscape.net) 5. "Huk Ba-La-Hap" (GatPuno@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:35:58 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Great Historical Fact/Sakay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Jay, Aguinaldo ordered for Bonifacio and his brother to be executed after a trial. Popular belief was that the brothers were impaled with bamboo poles and then ditched in an unmarked grave. Jose jay de leon wrote: >One intriguing mystery in these historical times was, did General Emilio Aguinaldo order the assassination of supremo Andres Bonifacio?  My college history professor, a famous writer and historian named Dr. Marcelino Foronda, told us this interesting anecdote.  He interviewed Aguinaldo when Aguinaldo was old, but still lucid.  He said he was tempted to ask Aguinaldo that question, but chickened out.  So my professor claims that Aguinaldo carried that secret to his grave. >   >  Jay de Leon >  www.tipunan.com >  (same derivative as Bonifacio's Katipunan) > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:41:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill McGrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Filipina in Saudi Arabia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Unfortunately this is not an isolated incident. Saudi Arabia "officially" abolished slavery in 1962, but forced labor still exits. Forced labor and outright slavery are still found around the world. Please read the following websites: http://hrw.org/mideast/saudi/labor/ http://www.sudanupdate.org/REPORTS/Slavery/slave.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4091579.stm http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/joelmowbray/2003/02/12/169237.html http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0309/feature1/ http://www.meforum.org/article/182 http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/news-slavery-sudan-arabs.html http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=60876&d=23&m=3&y=2005&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2687 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4686 http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/123 http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/07/15/saudia9061.htm Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill McGrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Singapore Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I received an email recently asking if there were any FMA schools in Singapore. Anyone here know of one? Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:56:01 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Great Historical Fact/Sakay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One last thing to add. Author Renato Constantino wrote a book on Philippine history. A good read mainly because the book's format is not a chronological interpretation of events. jay de leon wrote: >One intriguing mystery in these historical times was, did General Emilio Aguinaldo order the assassination of supremo Andres Bonifacio?  My college history professor, a famous writer and historian named Dr. Marcelino Foronda, told us this interesting anecdote.  He interviewed Aguinaldo when Aguinaldo was old, but still lucid.  He said he was tempted to ask Aguinaldo that question, but chickened out.  So my professor claims that Aguinaldo carried that secret to his grave. >   >  Jay de Leon >  www.tipunan.com >  (same derivative as Bonifacio's Katipunan) > >GatPuno@aol.com wrote: >  You did your home work great post, this is very truth, all of them are member >of the original "Supremo Andres Bonifacio" and the group of General Emilio >Aguinaldo join Katipunan after hearing the massive attraction of member in >katipunan in 7 provinces. But due from apprent reason Aguinaldo charged Andres >and >his brother of wrong doing was assasinated in Maragondon. This is only to >proved that Gen Aguinaldo Politically right to be the head of the "Katipunan", >which few of the member is start to distance from General Aguinaldo, like Gen >Malvar of Batangas, a woman General Agueda Kahabagan of Calauan, Laguna, even >Jose Rizal brother General Protacio Rizal od Calamba, Laguna. During the sege >of >Aguinaldo by the American, Aguinaldo run to Bulacan protected by Gen Emilio >Jacinto, but flee to go to Laguna under protection of Gen Leon Afu of Paete >Laguna, from there he was captured on the the way back home in Kawit, Kavite, >was in prison, then exile. Due from the numerous attemp raids to now is Port >Bonifacio and rescue him from the hand of Americans. > >Due from this conflict, and sending Aguinaldo away from the Philippines, >American thoughs that all of the "Bandits" as you call decided to proclaimed >Macario Sakay as the new President of the New Republic. But lacks of support >from >the old comrads, easily captured Sakay, Lucio de Vega and the others and hang >to death to scare other Katipunan member of continue revolt against Americans. >But this is only triggered more Filipino to fight American in "Guerilla >Warfare", ambush attack etc. > >If you remember due form this conflict, those at the time where "General >Henry Lawton" American heroes capturing the Indian Chief "Geronimo", well he >was >killed by the Filipino "Geronimo" in the name of General Licerio Geronimo, in >Rizal, to the town of the FMA "Sikaran Founder" Geronimo also. > >Well it is good to see how the FMA is used by this group of Filipino fighter. >But after all of this battle, due from the new war weapons, un-stopable am >munition of the Americans Filipino fighters has no match to their force. You >know >in Filipino old saying "If you cant fight them then join them" that what >happen. Massive surrendered happen after few days of fighting in Laguna and >Rizal >at that time called Morong. > >Salamat, > >Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >Garimot Arnis Training Group International >Laguna Arnis Federation international >Harimaw Buno Federation >Hilot - USA >www.garimot.com > > > > >> Sakay and Lucio de Vega belonged to a ragtag group of independence fighters >> who continued fighting against the Americans long after the surrender of >> Aguinaldo.  The well-known members of the group included Artemio Ricarte, >> Benito Santa Ana, Faustino Guillermo, San Miguel (whose first name I cannot >> recall) and Julian Montolan.  A law was specifically passed by the American >> colonial government to de-glorify their continued revolutionary activities >> and classify them legally as mere "bandits". >> >> Benito Santa Ana was eventually prevailed upon by his family to surrender >> (but not before he managed to burn down the Pasig church in the Christmas >> eve of 1902 or 1903 during one of his infamous raids).  I think the mansion >> of his descendants in Pasig still displays the bust of Jose Rizal at its >> gate.   Julian Montolan also eventually surrendered. >> >> Faustino Guillermo I think was wounded and captured after a firefight in >> Marikina but died before he can be hanged. >> >> Artemio Ricarte remained anti-American until he died.  He even returned to >> the Philippines as a Colonel in the Japanese Imperial Army during WWII (but >> probably quickly realized that, all things considered, the Japanese >> occupation is even more vicious than the American one he witnessed 40 years >> earlier). >> >> I think most of them are really the original followers of Bonifacio and >only >> grudgingly acknowledged the leadership of Aguinaldo after his "Cavite >> coup" in order not to weaken the revolution against Spain.  This explains >> why when Aguinaldo first capitulated to Spain at Biak-Na-Bato and ordered a >> cessation of hostilities, they ignored him and just kept on fighting.  When >> Aguinaldo was captured in Palanan and ordered a general surrender to the >> Americans,  they also completely ignored him and just kept on fighting. >> >> Based on the pictures or descriptions I have seen, Sakay, De Vega and >> Montolan are Malay Filipinos. Ricarte and San Miguel are Mestizo Filipinos. >> Guillermo is primarily caucasian in terms of facial  features and is >> probably almost pure Spanish by blood.  I have not yet seen a picture of >> Santa Ana (someone could probably try to look it up in the internet). >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 5 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:33:49 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] "Huk Ba-La-Hap" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Huk- for "Hukbo" (Forces) ng Ba- for "Bayan" (Citizen) La- for "Laban" (Fighting) sa Hap- for "Hapon" (Japanese) short for Hukbalahap. This group is the Modern Katipunan, headed by the charming Leader from Central Luzon "Ka Taruc" (Luis Taruc). On 1942, he start organizing the group of farmer, in Luzon, reached up to Visayan islands, they gather all son of the farmer age 12 and older to Train in "Palihan" or Hukbong Pagsasanay (Group Training), each individual was trained in Arnis de Mano, basically the simplified style called "Laban Tulisan" Bandits Fighting Way, they were trained in how to used all the available weapons used by the enemy(Japanese) and the allies (Americans) like Gun, Grenade and other ammunition that they can confiscated or stolen from Japanese. Hukbalahap is headed by "Kumander" (Commandant), which stand to the restof the member. Like in Army, there Commandant and the Adjutant, or Lt. is also called "Sabo". Each Provinces has many Kumander and "Sabo". In Laguna the Famous "Kumander Amat" (real name Nestor Caiyod), Amat cause his eye (Mata) crossed. But he led the three time interception of the Rice and Ammunition load by Train, he planned to put Greeses a mile of the rail way to dis-rail the Train and steel the Supply and Ammunition. He is the head of 45 "Hukbo" agains 120 Japanese on each Train, that their interception. Off-course my Uncle "Kumander Sabo" (Leocadio "Adiong" Baet) Laguna Unit-32, He is a Supply Command, he is the one who distributed all the food that "Kumander Amat, confiscated and collected, my Uncle job is to distribute them and dilivered to each "Pugad Lawin" (Hide out) Kampo or Camp. Hukbalahap, fough side by side, with the other guirilla group sanction witht the American, there where the Fil/Am Ranger, and the Women Auxillary division, which stand "Red Cross" for the Hukbalahap, during that time. Its funny, becaused after the Japanese capture and made a lot of Filipina ladies tuun them into Comport Woman, a lots of this women turn the Woman Auxillary, to retaliates to the Japanese, but at the end of the War, the Japanese run to the mountain, where the Filipino are hiding, the American force them to run, but the Filipino especially the "Hukbalahap" enjoy waiting for them as they run to the mountain. American never recognized them as group, after the war, only the Fil/Am Ranger and the Woman Auxillary are the only one get some "Benifits from the US Government". Hukbalahap, which is mainly the working class, was left out, even their own land that "Luis Taruc" promises to give them is went to nothing. That the reason why some of them turn to Bandits after the war turn themselves to what they called "HUK" (Bandido o Tulisan). Okay, everytime, I read Hukbalahap, they always tell good things, but thy were not recognized as such. Never treated them right on the bioginning, that the reason why a lot of them went back to live in Mountain, and fight the government for the piece of land they were promised by Luis Taruc. BTW Luis Taruc, serrendered later was pardoned and President Marcos turm him into a Assemblyman for two decades. He forgot the farmer or the working class that stand with him during War. Okay, hope you read the same or almost the same, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Buno Federation Laguna Arnis Federation International Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot-USA www.garimot.com > >I'm fascinated by the history of the islands.  In a couple > >different books I came across a group called the huk bala hap.  Could > >anyone shed more light on this group?  I'm afraid the material I read may > >have been biased, as I believe the accounts were written by Americans --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest