Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:52:18 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #137 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Great Historical Mysteries--Aguinaldo, Bonifacio and Luna (jay de leon) 2. Re: FMA school in Singapore (Steven Sim) 3. RE: "Huk Ba-La-Hap" (nephalim1@netscape.net) 4. Escrima in St. Petersburg, FL (Maria Joseph) 5. Renato Constantino (GatPuno@aol.com) 6. RE: "Huk Ba-La-Hap" (jay de leon) 7. RE: "Huk Ba-La-Hap" (nephalim1@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 23:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Great Historical Mysteries--Aguinaldo, Bonifacio and Luna To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Unless somebody has written a definitive account of this historical mystery, there are varying accounts. One version is that Aguinaldo refused to issue the order of execution, prefering banishment, but was strongly urged by his generals to kill Bonifacio. Either way, a company of Aguinaldo's men surprised Bonifacio and his brother at breakfast, and a fight ensued, with Bonifacio being stabbed in the neck (possibly with a bamboo pole?). Most accounts are that they were executed by a firing squad. The question is probably, did Aguinaldo actually order the execution, or simply let his generals have their way, to preserve his power? Here is another related mystery. Who ordered it, and who actually assassinated General Antonio Luna? His assassination is also dramatic and shrouded in mystery. Jay de Leon www.modernarnis.blogspot.com nephalim1@netscape.net wrote: Kapatid Jay, Aguinaldo ordered for Bonifacio and his brother to be executed after a trial. Popular belief was that the brothers were impaled with bamboo poles and then ditched in an unmarked grave. Jose jay de leon wrote: >One intriguing mystery in these historical times was, did General Emilio Aguinaldo order the assassination of supremo Andres Bonifacio? My college history professor, a famous writer and historian named Dr. Marcelino Foronda, told us this interesting anecdote. He interviewed Aguinaldo when Aguinaldo was old, but still lucid. He said he was tempted to ask Aguinaldo that question, but chickened out. So my professor claims that Aguinaldo carried that secret to his grave. > > Jay de Leon > www.tipunan.com > (same derivative as Bonifacio's Katipunan) > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:26:54 +0800 From: Steven Sim To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: FMA school in Singapore Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bill, I think Sifu Mark Stewart runs a JKD/Kali school in Singapore on Saturdays and maybe Wednesdays, but I'm not affiliated with his organisation, so I can't say for sure. He can be contacted at http://ijkd.com/contact/index.php. I got to learn about this through Gilbert, who trains in JKD/Kali (Ted LucayLucay style) with Mark. Regards, Steven Sim who lives in Singapore and is looking for training partners in Zubu-Kali Ilustrisimo http://www.zubu-kali.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 08:38:08 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] "Huk Ba-La-Hap" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Puno Abon, The actual name of the Hukbo is "Hukbu ning Balen Laban karing Japon". The group originated in the Kapampangan region in a time when socialism was on the rise during the Japanese occupation. Sadly, Philippine history books would "Tagalogize" any preciuos local knowledge that the richness of ethnic diversity throughout the Philippines is slowly eroding away. With Much Respect, Jose Capitulo GatPuno@aol.com wrote: >Huk- for "Hukbo" (Forces) ng Ba- for "Bayan" (Citizen) La- for "Laban" >(Fighting) sa Hap- for "Hapon" (Japanese) short for Hukbalahap. This group is >the >Modern Katipunan, headed by the charming Leader from Central Luzon "Ka Taruc" >(Luis Taruc). On 1942, he start organizing the group of farmer, in Luzon, >reached up to Visayan islands, they gather all son of the farmer age 12 and >older to >Train in "Palihan" or Hukbong Pagsasanay (Group Training), each individual >was trained in Arnis de Mano, basically the simplified style called "Laban >Tulisan" Bandits Fighting Way, they were trained in how to used all the >available >weapons used by the enemy(Japanese) and the allies (Americans) like Gun, >Grenade and other ammunition that they can confiscated or stolen from >Japanese. > >Hukbalahap is headed by "Kumander" (Commandant), which stand to the restof >the member. Like in Army, there Commandant and the Adjutant, or Lt. is also >called "Sabo". Each Provinces has many Kumander and  "Sabo". > >In Laguna the Famous "Kumander Amat" (real name Nestor Caiyod), Amat   cause >his eye (Mata)   crossed. But he led the three time interception of the Rice >and Ammunition load by Train, he planned to put Greeses a mile of the rail way >to dis-rail the Train and steel the Supply and Ammunition. He is the head of >45 "Hukbo" agains 120 Japanese on each Train, that their interception. > >Off-course my Uncle "Kumander Sabo" (Leocadio "Adiong" Baet) Laguna Unit-32, >He is a Supply Command, he is the one who distributed all the food that >"Kumander Amat, confiscated and collected, my Uncle job is to distribute them >and >dilivered to each "Pugad Lawin" (Hide out) Kampo or Camp. > >Hukbalahap, fough side by side, with the other guirilla group sanction witht >the American, there where the Fil/Am Ranger, and the Women Auxillary division, >which stand "Red Cross" for the Hukbalahap, during that time.   Its funny, >becaused after the Japanese capture and made a lot of Filipina ladies tuun >them >into Comport Woman, a lots of this women turn the Woman Auxillary, to >retaliates to the Japanese,   but at the end of the War, the Japanese run to >the >mountain, where the Filipino are hiding, the American force them to run, but >the >Filipino especially the   "Hukbalahap" enjoy waiting for them as they run to >the >mountain. American never recognized them as group, after the war, only the >Fil/Am Ranger and the Woman Auxillary are the only one get some "Benifits from >the US Government". Hukbalahap, which is mainly the working class, was left >out, even their own land that "Luis Taruc" promises to give them is went to >nothing. That the reason why some of them turn to Bandits after the war turn >themselves to what they called "HUK" (Bandido o Tulisan). > > >Okay, everytime, I read Hukbalahap, they always tell good things, but thy >were not recognized as such. Never treated them right on the bioginning, that >the >reason why a lot of them went back to live in Mountain, and fight the >government for the piece of land they were promised by Luis Taruc. BTW Luis >Taruc, >serrendered later was pardoned and President Marcos turm him into a >Assemblyman >for two decades. He forgot the farmer or the working class that stand with him >during War. > >Okay, hope you read the same or almost the same, > >Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >Garimot Buno Federation >Laguna Arnis Federation International >Harimaw Buno Federation >Hilot-USA >www.garimot.com > >> >I'm fascinated by the history of the islands.  In a couple >> >different books I came across a group called the huk bala hap.  Could >> >anyone shed more light on this group?  I'm afraid the material I read may >> >have been biased, as I believe the accounts were written by Americans >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:12:51 -0400 From: "Maria Joseph" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Escrima in St. Petersburg, FL Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I have been practising Escrima for the past year and change. I just recently moved to St. Petersburg, FL and am hoping to continue the art. Does anyone know of any instructors in the area or someone I could train with? Thanx, Maria --__--__-- Message: 5 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:17:06 EDT To: GatPuno@aol.com, eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Renato Constantino Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Renato Constantino, writing was questioned by few UP Proffessor, caused of > the different look of the History of the Philippines, its somehow, it will > direct you to the double meaning of the history, while other famous Filipino > History writer, like Zaide and other the tone of their work is closed to each > other. But both book is quite informational to the seeker, and then just > analys on your own way what really happen, some of the word they used is far > mis-leading to the facts. Becaused a lot Politics involved when they wrote the > history, and only recorded what the authority what you to records. This facts in > the Philippines, that why a lot of American and German writer has a better v > iew of the Philippines History. > > Just for my own opiniun, since the foreigner dont give a heck to the > Politics in the Philippine, they could be careless. I noticed if your writing is too > against the government, or led to make the government to looks bad, their > book is not going to be in the shelves of "National Book Store", the only book > store who manipulates to sell book and the only authorized book store, to > carried all book curricullum of Ministry of Education. Meaning all the good book > is not found in bookstore, they ended up killing the writer business. > > Like on the old days, all of the writing of and Poem of Andress Binifacio > never published becaused he is only working class only  dont have enough money > to published on his own, or the book publisher dont believed that it will > sell good. But the Filipino "Ilustrados" which is the Rich class or those people > that have Money, they have money to used to published any of those none > sense book, but it will sell like "Hot cake", why becaused they quoted them as > "Educated" while the working class was quoted as  "Indio" (Idiot) by the > authority. Here you can see the sick Politics in the Philippines, that manipulate > almost anything. > >    > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > Garimot Arnis Training Group International > > > > One last thing to add.  Author Renato Constantino wrote a book on Philippine > history.  A good read mainly because the book's format is not a > chronological interpretation of events. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: RE: [Eskrima] "Huk Ba-La-Hap" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To Jose Capitulo: That is good information, the origin of the Huk name and movement. But I was struck more about your comment about Philippine history books. GatPuno Abon in a recent post also talked about the politics and economics of publishing historical books. Both of you make excellent points. You would think that a history book would be, well, historical. But since it is written by a human being, it is subject to personal bias, not to mention the politics and economics of publishing. (1) One observation, for example. The early history books, most notably Zaide, were pro-American. I remember lines like, since America was a benevolent colonizer, its goal was to make the Philippines sufficient for self-rule, or words to that effect. The latter writers were more strident in their nationalism, especially during the times of the "activistas" decrying American imperialism (remember US bases, parity, etc.) (2) One interesting historical thread in all these discussions was the disunity of the Filipinos and the tribal infighting. It is very jarring to me. I am a Manila boy, true I am Tagalog (versus Visayan, etc.) and my father was born and grew up in Pangasinan. I also lived in Mindanao for a short while. But I have no "regional" alliance. But when you read these historical accounts, these tribal or regional alliances always rear their ugly heads. When Gen. Antonio Luna lay dying, he cursed the "cowardly Cavitenos." Aguinaldo was captured with the help of Macabebe (Pampanga) mercenaries, for which Pampanga fighters were branded traitors. (Cavitenos or Kapampangan, please do not write me nasty emails. They are just historical references and examples.) And all these people were from LUZON, hours away from each other and probably all speaking Tagalog. Can you imagine if you threw the Visayans or the Maguindanaos into the mix? The Spanish must have loved this, watching the Filipino generals assassinate each other and just waiting in the sidelines for the victor. Okay, I am off for the weekend. Enjoy the weekend. I will read your posts tomorrow. Jay de Leon nephalim1@netscape.net wrote: Gat Puno Abon, The actual name of the Hukbo is "Hukbu ning Balen Laban karing Japon". The group originated in the Kapampangan region in a time when socialism was on the rise during the Japanese occupation. Sadly, Philippine history books would "Tagalogize" any preciuos local knowledge that the richness of ethnic diversity throughout the Philippines is slowly eroding away. With Much Respect, Jose Capitulo GatPuno@aol.com wrote: >Huk- for "Hukbo" (Forces) ng Ba- for "Bayan" (Citizen) La- for "Laban" >(Fighting) sa Hap- for "Hapon" (Japanese) short for Hukbalahap. This group is >the >Modern Katipunan, headed by the charming Leader from Central Luzon "Ka Taruc" >(Luis Taruc). On 1942, he start organizing the group of farmer, in Luzon, >reached up to Visayan islands, they gather all son of the farmer age 12 and >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:22:07 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] "Huk Ba-La-Hap" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net jay de leon wrote: > >  (2)  One interesting historical thread in all these discussions was the disunity of the Filipinos and the tribal infighting.  It is very jarring to me.  I am a Manila boy, true I am Tagalog (versus Visayan, etc.) and my father was born and grew up in Pangasinan.  I also lived in Mindanao for a short while.  But I have no "regional" alliance.  But when you read these historical accounts, these tribal or regional alliances always rear their ugly heads.   >   >  Jay de Leon >   Luid Ka Jay,     Just from my greeting I make it obvious that I am Kapampangan. The word "luid" is  like saying "mabuhay" when used as a greeting in my dialect.  With regards to your second point, it is easy to forget for most of us Pinoys that pre-colonial Philippines was not a single country as most would believe.  This is probably one of many  reasons for the infighting between territories back in those days.  We may find proof of this in the many styles of fighting from FMA alone. The Castillan invasion probably hastened the unification(?) of the archipaelago into how we know it's existence today.  It intrigues me a lot about the possibilities of our nation without the element of the Spanish colonization.  Would it be one country or many?  Would it lend itself to a "japanesque" type of warring states to an eventual unification?  Who knows.     As for the Macabebe chapter in Pampanga history, I bear no bitternes about it.   That will be another topic for another time.  And I won't write you nasty emails... hehehe. With Much Respect, Jose Capitulo __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest