Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 02:59:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #138 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: Unsung Philippine heroes - Americans who fought for us (nephalim1@netscape.net) 2. Huk-Ba-La-Hap (not) Huk-Ba-La-Ka-Jap (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. FMA Young Practitioners (Punong Guro Steven Dowd) 4. Filipino Disunity (377 years) (GatPuno@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:35:39 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Unsung Philippine heroes - Americans who fought for us Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We should also give credit to Matk Twain who, on another chapter in Philippine history, opposed America's said benevolent intentions on the Pilipinos. Mark Twain wrote: I left these shores, at Vancouver, a red-hot imperialist. I wanted the American eagle to go screaming into the Pacific. It seemed tiresome and tame for it to content itself with the Rockies. Why not spread its wings over the Phillippines, I asked myself? And I thought it would be a real good thing to do. I said to myself, here are a people who have suffered for three centuries. We can make them as free as ourselves, give them a government and country of their own, put a miniature of the American constitution afloat in the Pacific, start a brand new republic to take its place among the free nations of the world. It seemed to me a great task to which had addressed ourselves. But I have thought some more, since then, and I have read carefully the treaty of Paris, and I have seen that we do not intend to free, but to subjugate the people of the Phillippines. We have gone there to conquer, not to redeem. . . It should, it seems to me, be our pleasure and duty to make those people free, and let them deal with their own domestic questions in their own way. And so I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. With Much Respect, Jose Capitulo bgdebuque wrote: >Philippine history curriculum should probably also be revised to give credit >to American soldiers who fought for us.  I think there was a total of 15 - 9 >whites and 6 blacks.  The famous ones include "Colonel" Harry Long and the >notorious Donald Fagen. > >They have become traitors to their own country fighting for what they think >is a just cause... > > > >> >> -- __--__-- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:06:33 -0700 (PDT) >> From: jay de leon >> Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lucio De Vega's final shout of defiance >> To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> >> And there is of course a dramatic element to this story.  The Americans >> simply baited the group into a trap.  There was supposed to be an American >> emissary with official documents for a truce, pardon and recognition of a >> provisional government.  Right...  Instead, American troops surprised and >> surrounded the group when they came to the festival for the alleged >> meet.  At their trial, the American emissary conveniently disappeared, and >> the Katipuneros were quickly tried and sentenced to death for being >bandits. >> >> Philippine history is as steeped in blood as any other country's history. >> >> Jay de Leon >> www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com >> >> bgdebuque wrote: >> The one I always remember most is Lucio De Vega. >> >> He was supposed to have shouted: "Mga tunay na Katipunero kami!" right >> before he died in the gallows together with Sakay and other hardcore >> Bonifacio followers. >> >> Come to think of it, your grandfather was with Lucio De Vega at that >> glorious moment... >> >> Somebody should popularize this story in the Philippine History >> curriculum. >> It is probably more dramatic than Jose Rizal's writing of "Mi Ultimo >> Adios" >> (although the group of Lucio De Vega and Macario Sakay are also die-hard >> admirers of Jose Rizal). >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 22:33:17 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Huk-Ba-La-Hap (not) Huk-Ba-La-Ka-Jap Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jose, The Translation that become famous is the Tagalog version, that Kapangpangan, version should be called like this: "Huk-Ba-La-Ka-Jap" not the (Huk-ba-la-hap), the Hukbo are the Tagalog, and sometime yes spell Hukbu, but the proper spell is "Hukbo" in Tagalog proper. Sad to say, Tagalog is the National language choice by "President Manuel L. Quezon during his Presidency. The Visayan and even the Muslim has to learn, but in a negative result, with us Tagalog was taken advantage by it. Visayan and Mindanaoan, understand us, but we dont understand their language, so basical we sad ly taken advantage. Anyway no hurt feeling, the country need a one basic language that we can communicates to each islands and the elected langauage is Tagalog, so we dont need to re-learn it becaused we used it in daily life at home and street already. Not the Visayan and Mindanaoan, they have to learn it from school, if there not lucky and they never got a chance to attend school, they left out from the rest of the Filipino they can even talk like Filipino national Language. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International > > Gat Puno Abon, >      The actual name of the Hukbo is "Hukbu ning Balen Laban karing Japon". > The group originated in the Kapampangan region in a time when socialism was > on the rise during the Japanese occupation.  Sadly, Philippine history books > would "Tagalogize" any preciuos local knowledge that the richness of ethnic > diversity throughout the Philippines is slowly eroding away.  > > With Much Respect, > Jose Capitulo --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 19:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Punong Guro Steven Dowd To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA Young Practitioners Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FMAdigest is putting together a Special Edition FMA's Young Practitioners. This Special Editon is about Practitioners that teach children FMA, and also about individual children that are practitioners of the FMA. If you are or know a FMA instructor that teaches FMA children classes, or you know of a young person that is a practitioner of FMA, please email the FMAdigest with contact information or send in an article to publisher@fmadigest.com age is up to 17 years old. Arnis Balite www.arnisbalite.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:03:29 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino Disunity (377 years) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Jay, This very truth not only on this event, if you remember the Spanish used 600 skilled Native Visayan Archer when they attack and first attemp to occupy Manila on 1570. At that time the place was ruled by Raja Solayman the place was called Tundo. First attempt was failed becaused of the help of Macabebe Warrior Bambolito and his man. But After few months, The Spanish and the "Visayan came back and finally they used the Visayan to communicate to Sulayman, and scared them, they were told that more shipo is on the way, so it could be better if they turn themselves and stop the blood shed. This what they did, they used Tribe to tribe to scared the other tribe and instead of dying, they were force to surrendered and accepth the Catholicsm. That why Tagalog, alway saying do not trust Visayan, and I know Visayan tell that to us Tagalog too, dont trust Tagalog and vice versa. Is not us, we are just manipulate by destiny. The Spanish ind our weeknesses, they out smart us at that time. We know and we pay for it for a long time 377 years to be exact. >From 1521-1898. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International > >   When Gen. Antonio Luna lay dying, he cursed the "cowardly Cavitenos."  > Aguinaldo was captured with the help of Macabebe (Pampanga) mercenaries, for > which Pampanga fighters were branded traitors.  (Cavitenos or Kapampangan, > please do not write me nasty emails.  They are just historical references and > examples.)  And all these people were from LUZON, hours away from each other and > probably all speaking Tagalog.  Can you imagine if you threw the Visayans or > the Maguindanaos into the mix? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest