Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:17 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #142 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Huk-Ba-La-Hap (not) Huk-Ba-La-Ka-Jap (nephalim1@netscape.net) 2. Kalis Ilustrisimo Seminar (info@kalis-ilustrisimo.org) 3. Sikaran (Ray Terry) 4. Re: Americans who fought for us (bgdebuque) 5. RE: Huk-Ba-La-Hap (not) Huk-Ba-La-Ka-Jap (jay de leon) 6. Re: Re: Americans who fought for us (ed garcia) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:17:21 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Huk-Ba-La-Hap (not) Huk-Ba-La-Ka-Jap Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Manong Jay,     I went home back in Pampanga last August 2004.  A friend of mine took us to a natural pool where Kampampangan spiritualists (then and now) gather and worship the ancient war god and provider "Apung Sinukuan". At the base of the mountain it is guarded by a bante/bantay which is disguised in the form of "San Miguel" statue complete with the devil by its foot.  A little further up is a chapel, again disguised in Chritian imagery, and some large boulders said to be energised for healing.  Follow the creek upstream and it will lead you to a natural pool fed by a small waterfall fed again by a spring above it.  It was very refreshing after having bathed there.  I did not feel unsafe nor was I warned about going to Arayat.           Although Mt. Arayat has been a hiding place for rebel forces since the Katipunan days to the present(The popular place to go is "Puting Bato" or "white rock" due to the exposed limestone facade present since pre-history), the NPA would likey leave you alone as long as you do not arouse their suspicion.  Unlike the Abu Sayaf(lowlife bandits who claim to be islamic separatists), I hardly hear of any NPA "kidnap and ransom" schemes.     As for the NPA.  My friend has told me about the rebels' stance on their politics in Pampanga.  After having fought for the farmers for many years until an agreeable land reform policy was enacted between the govt. and the rebels, the rebel forces felt their efforts were in vain due to what most farmers did afterwards.  The farmers, now having been granted land suddenly did not know what to do with it by him/herself.  Instead of forming a cooperative to gather their resources and improve their bargaining power, most farmers sold their land for a few million Pesos(not much these days) and built a house with all that money without thinking of a source of income afterwards.  Sadly the only solution is to become a tricycle or a jeepney driver.  Never mind the traffic.  With so many jeepney and tricycle drivers around, you can't make enough money because there aren't enough "pasajeros" or fares  to be had.  The NPA felt that with all the lives they sacrificed for the plight of the farmers, they had fought in vain by seeing the fruits of their toil squandered by not-so-bright decisions of short gains.  They(NPA) would probably fight somewhere else and give up their hold in those towns you mentioned. Jose Capitulo         Ray, I apologise if my comments strayed off from the guidelines of the digest.  I am very thankful for the digest and your efforts for the FMA. jay de leon wrote: >Is it folklore, or is it still a reality when travelers and people are cautioned against straying into Mount Arayat, the towns of Candaba and surrounding towns, as these places are still infested by the NPA, the same way they used to be Huk strongholds? >   >  Jay de Leon >  www.tipunan.com >   >   > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 2 From: info@kalis-ilustrisimo.org To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:00:34 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Kalis Ilustrisimo Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all, Just to remind everyone that there will be a Kalis Ilustrisimo Seminar on the 20th and 21st of May 2006 in Texas. Kalis Ilustrisimo Seminar MAY 20 & 21 May 2006 Time : 10 am - 3pm VENUE : Multiplex Center 1005 Fifth Street Wichita Falls TX 76302 USA. Cost : $75 for One Day. $80 at the door. $150 for Two Days. $175 at the door for Two Days. The seminar will be in the US, in Texas. This is Guru Shamim's First Seminar in the US. Please see our website www.kalis-ilustrisimo.org for our club details. For More information about the seminar please call Guru James Thornton who will be hosting this seminar on (940)642-4112 or via email gurujames322000@yahoo.com. Kind Regards, Kalam. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:18:23 -0700 From: "Ray Terry" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Sikaran Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pinoy best in Sikaran FILIPINO Grandmaster/Hari Osias C. Banaag added another feather to his cap after he was awarded by the prestigious U.S.A. Martial Arts Hall of Fame as the 'Philippine Grandmaster of Sikaran' held recently at the Holiday Inn Hotel in Los Angeles, California. A 10th degree red-belt, Banaag's rise to prominence in martial arts was when he established the Sikaran-Arnis Academy in Delano, California back in 2003, which ultimately expanded the Sikaran globally. It was the third time for Banaag, President/Founder of Global Sikaran Federation and Owner/Proprietor of the Sikaran-Arnis Gym here in the country, to be cited by the U.S.A. Martial Arts Hall of Fame. "Our goal is to promote sikaran and for the Filipino youth to patronize it kasi ito sariling atin, likha ng Pinoy," said the 47-year-old Banaag, who was first named by the U.S.A. Martial Arts Hall of Fame as the 'Sole King of Sikaran' in 2004. On January 5 and 6, Banaag, in coordination with Mayor Joseph Buenaventura of Morong, will hold the 2007 Sikaran World Gold Cup Open Martial Arts Festival at the University of Rizal System in Morong, Rizal. Peoples Journal 5/11/2006 19:48 PM --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:27:58 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Americans who fought for us Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Had I been born in the same generation as Sakay and De Vega, I would have certainly fought for independence to my last breath. With the benefit of more than 100 years of hindsight, however, in all honesty, I think the lives of the majority of Filipinos would have been much, much better off if the Philippines was absorbed into the American Union (admittedly, the same conclusion does not apply to the priviliged few who happen to live in the corridors of political and economic power). Just compare the state of the FMA in the US and in the Philippines... And just count the number of Filipino FMA masters who have to migrate to the US for economic reasons... Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 10:17:31 -0400 > From: gatpuno@aol.com > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] American who fought for us. > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Jose, > > You are right, we should never take the help of this "Foreigner" that help > us get our freedom, not particularly some Americans,there German, Dutch, > German and Indian Natioanl that help Philippines. > > Do you remember the movie that Nick Nulphy, has made title "The King". > Which American Soldier, who fought side by side with Filipino Against > japanese, later he feel in love to local Princess and married her, It turn > out to be the King of the Tribes. But the American find him in the Island > and captured him and charge him, for turning his back to the American flag. > He was captured with one Japanese that he was fighting but later become his > friend too. Ans also that Japanese become allied by the Philippines. It was > a good movies and reminds me of the other American Soldier that turn > Filipino by choice. It great post. > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > Garimot Arnis Training Group International > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:35:39 -0400 > From: nephalim1@netscape.net > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Unsung Philippine heroes - Americans who > fought for us > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > We should also give credit to Matk Twain who, on another chapter in > Philippine > history, opposed America's said benevolent intentions on the Pilipinos. > > Mark Twain wrote: > > I left these shores, at Vancouver, a red-hot imperialist. I wanted the > American eagle to go screaming into the Pacific. It seemed tiresome and > tame for > it to content itself with the Rockies. > Why not spread its wings over the Phillippines, I asked myself? And I > thought it would be a real good thing to do. > > I said to myself, here are a people who have suffered for three > centuries. > We can make them as free as ourselves, give them a government and country > of > their own, put a miniature of the American constitution afloat in the > Pacific, > start a brand new republic to take its place among the free nations of the > world. It seemed to me a great task to which had addressed ourselves. > > But I have thought some more, since then, and I have read carefully > the > treaty of Paris, and I have seen that we do not intend to free, but to > subjugate > the people of the Phillippines. We have gone there to conquer, not to > redeem. . > . > > It should, it seems to me, be our pleasure and duty to make those > people > free, and let them deal with their own domestic questions in their own > way. And > so I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its > talons on > any other land. > > With Much Respect, > Jose Capitulo --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Huk-Ba-La-Hap (not) Huk-Ba-La-Ka-Jap To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jose: Thanks for relating your own experiences at Mt. Arayat and for your assurances. Still, I probably would not be traipsing and bathing in Mt. Arayat without some reliable local escorts. The land reform program has been an unmitigated disaster in the Philippines, both for the landlord and the tenant farmers, and therefore for the Philippine economy. It will take another forum to discuss all the economic ills of the Philippines. Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com nephalim1@netscape.net wrote: Manong Jay, I went home back in Pampanga last August 2004. A friend of mine took us to a natural pool where Kampampangan spiritualists (then and now) gather and worship the ancient war god and provider "Apung Sinukuan". At the base of the mountain it is guarded by a bante/bantay which is disguised in the form of "San Miguel" statue complete with the devil by its foot. A little further up is a chapel, again disguised in Chritian imagery, and some large boulders said to be energised for healing. Follow the creek upstream and it will lead you to a natural pool fed by a small waterfall fed again by a spring above it. It was very refreshing after having bathed there. I did not feel unsafe nor was I warned about going to Arayat. Although Mt. Arayat has been a hiding place for rebel forces since the Katipunan days to the present(The popular place to go is "Puting Bato" or "white rock" due to the exposed limestone facade present since pre-history), the NPA would likey leave you alone as long as you do not arouse their suspicion. Unlike the Abu Sayaf(lowlife bandits who claim to be islamic separatists), I hardly hear of any NPA "kidnap and ransom" schemes. As for the NPA. My friend has told me about the rebels' stance on their politics in Pampanga. After having fought for the farmers for many years until an agreeable land reform policy was enacted between the govt. and the rebels, the rebel forces felt their efforts were in vain due to what most farmers did afterwards. The farmers, now having been granted land suddenly did not know what to do with it by him/herself. Instead of forming a cooperative to gather their resources and improve their bargaining power, most farmers sold their land for a few million Pesos(not much these days) and built a house with all that money without thinking of a source of income afterwards. Sadly the only solution is to become a tricycle or a jeepney driver. Never mind the traffic. With so many jeepney and tricycle drivers around, you can't make enough money because there aren't enough "pasajeros" or fares to be had. The NPA felt that with all the lives they sacrificed for the plight of the farmers, they had fought in vain by seeing the fruits of their toil squandered by not-so-bright decisions of short gains. They(NPA) would probably fight somewhere else and give up their hold in those towns you mentioned. Jose Capitulo Ray, I apologise if my comments strayed off from the guidelines of the digest. I am very thankful for the digest and your efforts for the FMA. jay de leon wrote: >Is it folklore, or is it still a reality when travelers and people are cautioned against straying into Mount Arayat, the towns of Candaba and surrounding towns, as these places are still infested by the NPA, the same way they used to be Huk strongholds? > > Jay de Leon > www.tipunan.com > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: ed garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Americans who fought for us To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Remeber the old joke about Manuel Quezon saying "I would rather have a government run like hell by Filipinos than a government run like heaven by the Americans"? Somebody up there granted his wish. --- bgdebuque wrote: > Had I been born in the same generation as Sakay and > De Vega, I would have > certainly fought for independence to my last breath. > > With the benefit of more than 100 years of > hindsight, however, in all > honesty, I think the lives of the majority of > Filipinos would have been > much, much better off if the Philippines was > absorbed into the American > Union (admittedly, the same conclusion does not > apply to the priviliged few > who happen to live in the corridors of political and > economic power). > > Just compare the state of the FMA in the US and in > the Philippines... And > just count the number of Filipino FMA masters who > have to migrate to the US > for economic reasons... > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 10:17:31 -0400 > > From: gatpuno@aol.com > > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Subject: [Eskrima] American who fought for us. > > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > > Jose, > > > > You are right, we should never take the help of > this "Foreigner" that help > > us get our freedom, not particularly some > Americans,there German, Dutch, > > German and Indian Natioanl that help Philippines. > > > > Do you remember the movie that Nick Nulphy, has > made title "The King". > > Which American Soldier, who fought side by side > with Filipino Against > > japanese, later he feel in love to local Princess > and married her, It turn > > out to be the King of the Tribes. But the American > find him in the Island > > and captured him and charge him, for turning his > back to the American flag. > > He was captured with one Japanese that he was > fighting but later become his > > friend too. Ans also that Japanese become allied > by the Philippines. It was > > a good movies and reminds me of the other American > Soldier that turn > > Filipino by choice. It great post. > > > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > > Garimot Arnis Training Group International > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:35:39 -0400 > > From: nephalim1@netscape.net > > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Unsung Philippine > heroes - Americans who > > fought for us > > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > > We should also give credit to Matk Twain who, on > another chapter in > > Philippine > > history, opposed America's said benevolent > intentions on the Pilipinos. > > > > Mark Twain wrote: > > > > I left these shores, at Vancouver, a red-hot > imperialist. I wanted the > > American eagle to go screaming into the Pacific. > It seemed tiresome and > > tame for > > it to content itself with the Rockies. > > Why not spread its wings over the > Phillippines, I asked myself? And I > > thought it would be a real good thing to do. > > > > I said to myself, here are a people who have > suffered for three > > centuries. > > We can make them as free as ourselves, give them a > government and country > > of > > their own, put a miniature of the American > constitution afloat in the > > Pacific, > > start a brand new republic to take its place among > the free nations of the > > world. It seemed to me a great task to which had > addressed ourselves. > > > > But I have thought some more, since then, and > I have read carefully > > the > > treaty of Paris, and I have seen that we do not > intend to free, but to > > subjugate > > the people of the Phillippines. We have gone there > to conquer, not to > > redeem. . > > . > > > > It should, it seems to me, be our pleasure and > duty to make those > > people > > free, and let them deal with their own domestic > questions in their own > > way. And > > so I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to > having the eagle put its > > talons on > > any other land. > > > > With Much Respect, > > Jose Capitulo > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest