Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 03:00:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #146 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Omar Hakim seminar (Marc Denny) 2. Great post (Anak Pawis Pattern) (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Your Choice Re: Egos (Peter Gow) 4. RE: Your Choice Re: Egos (A-Sun) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 03:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Omar Hakim seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: I recommend this seminar highly. Crafty Dog > Silat Instructor Omar Hakim, of Dallas Texas, will be in Montreal at GAMMA > to conduct a Silat Kuntao Tekpi workshop from Noon to 5pm on Saturday, May > 20, 2006. > > Omar Hakim has spend quite a few years in Indonesia and Malasia to aquire > this method and has been entrusted with spreading this knowlege here in > North America by the leaders in Malasia. Prior to this study Omar had > spend many years under the tuitilage of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje and is still > considered one of his top representatives in the US. > > Cost of this seminar is $60 and participation is limited. > > Contact Philip Gelinas at (514) 281-9928 or email him at > bttcanada@videotron.ca for more information and to make reservations. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 10:31:19 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Great post (Anak Pawis Pattern) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Jay, This is so much reminds me of the "Argumental Statements of the Anak Pawis Goup of the Philippines". That they trying to recruit follower against the elite and aristocratic groups (well to do vs. poor). I understand the stand point of the issue, but this is not happen to us Filipino, it happening also in other part of the world. On the 80's I was once follow this Anak Pawis representative, during Pres. Marcos presidency, the pattern of his point is exact pattern of the Anak pawis teaching. I was opposed to what happening to the Philippines Politica and all that, but to listen to one "preaching" to brain wash us, seem like the Filipino people no matter what we do, is really never going to move ahead, We step forward one and we tep twice backwards. We can blame no one only ourselves not someone else or the time that we living in to what have happen to us Filipino. That the reason why I came here to other country now, I call it my own, since I am now US citizen, to escape to old tradition of lay back citezen likeme before and wait for tomorrows bring (Bahala na mentality). There are so many Article of the noted "Juan Tamad" in different publication in the philippoijne and US publication. If you read what really the meaning of this , in Title alone they describe us Filipino the son of :"Juan de la Cruz" alyas "Juan Tamad" (JOHN LAZY). To some point I agreed, but too other its trigger my pride being "Filipino", it hurt me to HEAR AND READ the truth, and someone else my fellow Filipino mentioning this points is more painfull than someone else or non-Filipino tell me this facts. Again, kapatid Jay, I am still so proud to be Filipino despite of this dis-unity. Besides, we knows that "NO country ever conquered the Philippines,,, BUT the dirty politics conquerd us all.. Rey, salamat for allowing of posting this Kapatid Jay,s friend Manny post. It hurt my feeling as Filipino but, majority of the points is plain and the truths. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group international > From: jay de leon > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Philipppine Disunity and Economic Plight > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > With Rey's permission, I would like to publish a copy of a post today at one > of my other forums, an Ateneo forum called luxid.  I have the permission of > the author to post it here, a friend and classmate named Manuel "Manny" > Tiangha, and I am posting his complete post (which is a reply to a previous post) > for you guys to see we post on any subject. >    >   Thanks, >   Jay de Leon >    >    >   Is the thoroughness affected by using the right hand versus the left hand > if one is left-handed or right-handed and is it further affected by the > location of the toilet paper holder - whether it is to the left or to the right > particularly if one is left or right handed? >   ======================================= >    >   Meanwhile - let me focus on the less complex issue as to why the > Philippines (not Filipinos) has been "left behind". >    >     **NOTE: Many Filipinos, taken as individuals, in the US, abroad, > elsewhere, have incredibly succeeded (financially & materially) in practically all > fields of human endeavor - but why (as a nation) there is this gap? > >    >   (Caveat: I am going to re-tell a theory or theories which has or have been > posited very silently - in fact, mentioned only in whispers -in many > academic circles, particularly in the US- because they are thoroughly controversial > and shocking. I am summarizing the theory not because I necessarily agree > with it/them). >    >   1. Historical Roots of the Malay "Filipino" prior to 1492 >    >   The islands were populated by a disparate, un-unified, eclelctic group of > Malay people that had different customs, dialects, sets of laws, rulers, etc. > Mosty of these folks were either Muslims or sympathetic to the Islam > religion. This eclectic group was unified for the very first time (though > superficially) under one unified "national" rule (administration & law) when Spain > colonized the islands. The use and teaching of the Spanish language was not > spread to the entire general population but was purposely kept limited only to a > special class, i.e. the elite, creating a social divide that is still very > much evident today although the divisions today are defined not so much by > language but by socio-economic measurements, i.e. wealth, income, eudcation, > assets, etc. In short, the Spanish language was not able or never meant to unify > the country culturally. One could say that the introduction of the Catholic > faith by the Spanish friars, in a manner of speaking, created a > common religion among the disparate cultural tribes - but that did not unify > the islands. >    >   *Paul Dumol stated that until the Americans came, the existence of > "provinces" as a unit of government did not even loom in the minds of the islanders. >    >   What was typical of pre-Hispanic Philippines, Hispanic Philippines and > present-day Philippines? >    >   To many or the majority -everything is or was seen from > my-family-is-always-first perspective; even if it hurts the government - for as long as my > family getrs ahead! The government is seen either as an obstruction  or as an > external  mechanism to be exploited and manipulated (ginugulangan) to benefit > one's family, clan and one's personal gian. >    >   Consequence: No sense of common unified nationhood, except the love for > adobo, kare-kare, Pancit Palabok. From Bonifcaio to Aguinaldo -- the list goes > on & on. Incidences of treachery and national "traitorhood" or betrayal > (Bonifcaio vs Aguinaldo, Rizal vs the Nasugbu squealers who reported his > whereabouts to the Spaniards, Osmena as a Japanese collaborator) are replete simply > owing to this lack of "national" purpose or mission. >    >   Remember: The people who pulled the trigger to shoot Rizal were all > Filipinos! Altruistic nationalism (a redundancy) did not or does not exist! >    >   2. Defintion: What does "Being Filipino" mean? "Who is a Filipino" > question needs to be defined. >    >   Unfortunatelyt, there is no definition that is understood and exemplified > and accepted in words and deeds and that cuts across all socio-economic > groups. The answer to "being a Filipino" may be as varied as there are Filipinos > (from different socio-economic classes) as can or who can express an opinion > (or an Op/Ed).. >    >   Is Ayala a Filipino just as say the poorest Filipino a Filipino? What > unites the 2? Are they really united under one "value" or  one "legal" system? >    >   Net effect: Answering that question in a way that  provides a common > ground will assist in this question: What does being a Filipino mean? >   What does or does not the term "Filipino" encompass? >    >   Consequently, the inability to come out with a very clear definition > defines exactly where the Filipino or the Philippines is today - clueless about > the present, and clueless about the future, clueless about each other. >    >   *Ask a Filipino what he thinks of his fellow Filipinos, and you will not > get a very firm answer that connotes trust and understanding and > appreciation.  So, if there is no clear understanding and loyalty as to what the Filipino > (and the Philippines) stands for - how can a sense of nation take place? >    >   How can 85 million people be moitivated to sacrifice for "the national > good" when that idea (the national good versus my own clan) does not exist, and > perhaps never existed? >    >    >   3. The overseas Asians : Their role as culprits time and time again  in > keeping the Philippines and the Filipinos where they are: >    >   It has been said that allowing these peripatetic nomads to control (over > the last 500 years ) large  portions of the local  "economy" will always be a > problem for generating "national" unity. Why will this "tolerance" be > dangerous? Again, their (the overseas Asians) loyalty is only to their specific > family and their clan (who speaks their language and where they share the same > food) and so they could usurp and corrupt the local people without care or > pangs of conscience. These overseas Asians were expelled from a certain country > by the Mandarin (educated) class who looked down on merchants as a > lower/useless class (because it is said that they (merchants) do not or did not > subscribe to any sense of nationhood or sense of ethics or sense of sacrifice or to a > higher purpose but only focused on immediate material gain/ and immediate > material satisfaction). >    >   A merchant always looks at things in terms of material gain, material loss > or breaking even and looks at relationships in terms of a transaction (for > the gain, loss or breaking-even). >    >   Bottom Line: If the economy (and the people buried under it)  is seen as a > hunting ground by the overseas Asians who partner with the local "elite" to > exploit the general population (thus a large population is in fact always an > asset from a market standpoint) - then the existence of the autocracy or > autocratic elite (in political elections, in business, in military affairs, in > government) will always be sustained and always be perpetuated without > necessarily looking at the "national good". The sense of a "national good" is a > harmful idea to the overseas Asians. >   ============================== >    >   Question: Can or will or how the Philippines catch up with the rest of SE > Asia, i.e. Singapore, HK, China, Malaysia? >    >   Answer: The answer is a no-brainer with respect to the "can". >    >   The more difficult part in the answer is the "how". The "how" poresupposes > a country unified under one purpose. Some have stated that countries such as > Singapore and HK have benefitted from the Philippines lying dormant because > the "self-destructive" and "dysfunctionaL' behavior has allowed their > economies to flourish. >    >   ========= >    >   Unaswered Question: What is that spiritual or inanimate or intangible  > "thing" (vision, values, purpose, etc.) that can unify the Filipinos on a > sustained and a long-term basis such that he will think first (in fact, die, > sacrifice, etc) of his other Filipinos rather than think first for or of himself? >    >   ====== >    >   Question: Let us look at the Philippines, figuratively speaking, >    as the WTC structure hit on 9/11 by 2 jet planes. There are people > burning and dying in this burning building. We wonder: How many firemen and > policemen (wearing the Philippine logo) will or would immediately and by instinct > scamper up the building to save the grief-struck victims (whose names and faces > they do not know) at the risk of losing their very own lives, knowing that > they would surely die in the process? Or will they, as is customary, first > look foir their friends and relatives in the burning building and do selective > "sacrifice"? >    >   =========== >    >   OK OK Class before you are dismissed -- note that the answers are not out > there but in here. If you think or believe that you will or can die for an > abstraction called the Philippines (no if you are willing to sacrifice your > life for another Filipino (no questions asked) a Filipino whose name you do not > need to know or do not care to know, and that  you do care but you do not > care for his economic or sociall class or status, etc) then you can become a > true (or the first) Filipino Idol. In other words, if you can die for another > Filipino (whose name you dont need to know) and lose everything (your life) > without the thought of material gain or material benefit - then that nation will > have been born or re-born. >   ========================= >    >   Manny Tiangha --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 01:22:21 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Your Choice Re: Egos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anthony, You said, " The thing I find most unpleasant is the big talking kind of people who go on and on about themselves. I was looking at a private shooting range over the weekend I was thinking of joining and there was a member who went on and on about his black belts and 20 years with the LAPD, etc. He could tell I wasn't impressed with him although I wasn't saying anything to him or being rude in any way. So he kept on and on focusing more and more on me. I finally just excused myself and left before the membership portion of the meeting started." In reality how many types of gun competitions based on calibre are there -air pistol, 22, 38, 44, 45, 9mm etc on the range not to mention walk in western shoots or ISPC etc. - so taking this into consideration - How many times would you actually compete or see this guy at the club? Peter Gow --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "A-Sun" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Your Choice Re: Egos Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:29:20 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Peace I was in a bar in Wisconsin (when the Badgers went to the Rose Bowl), and I met this guy who made disparaging remarks about my USMC background and shoved a CIA ID in my face. The bar was rather crowded, and I barely fit into a space 12 inches from his face. I drained my beverage and asked him, "Does that ID mean you can eat glass?" He backed down like Gandhi...lol... Credentials are only as good as the person that has them. Peace Does anyone here know about Dyan Dyan? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gow [mailto:gowp@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:22 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Your Choice Re: Egos Anthony, You said, " The thing I find most unpleasant is the big talking kind of people who go on and on about themselves. I was looking at a private shooting range over the weekend I was thinking of joining and there was a member who went on and on about his black belts and 20 years with the LAPD, etc. He could tell I wasn't impressed with him although I wasn't saying anything to him or being rude in any way. So he kept on and on focusing more and more on me. I finally just excused myself and left before the membership portion of the meeting started." In reality how many types of gun competitions based on calibre are there -air pistol, 22, 38, 44, 45, 9mm etc on the range not to mention walk in western shoots or ISPC etc. - so taking this into consideration - How many times would you actually compete or see this guy at the club? Peter Gow _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest