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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Great post (Anak Pawis Pattern) (jay de leon) 2. searching for Nick elizar student (malcolm knight) 3. Is this saying what I think it does? (Marc Denny) 4. Re: Is this saying what I think it does? (jay de leon) 5. Re: Is this saying what I think it does? (jhfischer@fuse.net) 6. Floyd Patterson, RIP (Kes41355@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Great post (Anak Pawis Pattern) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Abon: Thank you for your post, and the feelings and candor that came with it. In brief, I agree with you on the following : (1) The truth always hurts. (2) I have been an American citizen now longer than I was a Filipino citizen, and I am proud of both citizenships. (3) It is painful and frustrating to watch what is going on in the Philippines right now. You have no idea how painful and frustrating it is to most of us luxid members. Luxid is just a forum, a subset of batchmates both in the US and Philippines. But many of these batchmates are extremely powerful, rich and influential in the Philippines. They include people like the First Gentleman, the founder of Gawad Kalinga, several senators and congressmen, generals and colonels, members of the cabinet, ex-government officials, corporate executives, priests and millionaires. We talk, debate, propose, argue, get upset with each other but nothing concrete really happens. A few actually want to be part of a bloody revolution. It is also depressing because we realize we are in our 60's, not long for this world. We feel we will leave this earth with no significant collective contribution to be proud of towards Philippine progress. And some of us will leave children and grandchildren to experience the same anguish and to carry on the seemingly hopeless struggle in the Philippines. That is the saddest part. Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com P.S. Kapatid Abon, I just got back from the seminar with Topher Ricketts and Roger Agbulos in Los Angeles. The Los Angeles Lameco Mandirigma members who met you at Tipunan sa Disneyland wanted me to send their regards to you. GatPuno@aol.com wrote: Kapatid Jay, This is so much reminds me of the "Argumental Statements of the Anak Pawis Goup of the Philippines". That they trying to recruit follower against the elite and aristocratic groups (well to do vs. poor). I understand the stand point of the issue, but this is not happen to us Filipino, it happening also in other part of the world. On the 80's I was once follow this Anak Pawis representative, during Pres. Marcos presidency, the pattern of his point is exact pattern of the Anak pawis teaching. I was opposed to what happening to the Philippines Politica and all that, but to listen to one "preaching" to brain wash us, seem like the Filipino people no matter what we do, is really never going to move ahead, We step forward one and we tep twice backwards. We can blame no one only ourselves not someone else or the time that we living in to what have happen to us Filipino. That the reason why I came here to other country now, I call it my own, since I am now US citizen, to escape to old tradition of lay back citezen likeme before and wait for tomorrows bring (Bahala na mentality). There are so many Article of the noted "Juan Tamad" in different publication in the philippoijne and US publication. If you read what really the meaning of this , in Title alone they describe us Filipino the son of :"Juan de la Cruz" alyas "Juan Tamad" (JOHN LAZY). To some point I agreed, but too other its trigger my pride being "Filipino", it hurt me to HEAR AND READ the truth, and someone else my fellow Filipino mentioning this points is more painfull than someone else or non-Filipino tell me this facts. Again, kapatid Jay, I am still so proud to be Filipino despite of this dis-unity. Besides, we knows that "NO country ever conquered the Philippines,,, BUT the dirty politics conquerd us all.. Rey, salamat for allowing of posting this Kapatid Jay,s friend Manny post. It hurt my feeling as Filipino but, majority of the points is plain and the truths. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group international _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "malcolm knight" To: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:11:23 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] searching for Nick elizar student Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, during my recent trip to train with GM Nick Elizar he mentioned that he already trained a British guy named Ewan ( or maybe thats Euan ) Thomas ! Anyone know him? or if he reads this please get in touch. Wondering if he tried setting up a Nickelstick group or not, if so what problems he encountered, could do with some pointers with the training being one to one and all. As a general question how about the rest of you guys, have you started or thought of starting your own group? if so do you keep the original name of the school / style you were trained in ? whats your first approach to find students etc. Malcolm. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:03:09 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Is this saying what I think it does? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: I didn't notice the following passage when it was first posted, but this morning it caught my eye. While I am completely unqualified to enter into discussion of the subject of the piece (Filipino unity, progress, and the lack thereof), to my outsider's eye this reads like bigotry, plain and simple. It would be much easier for me to stay silent for it is not my oxe being gored here, but I would not feel right about myself if I did. Crafty Dog >> 3. The overseas Asians : Their role as culprits time and time again in >> keeping the Philippines and the Filipinos where they are: >> >> It has been said that allowing these peripatetic nomads to control (over >> the last 500 years ) large portions of the local "economy" will always be > a problem for generating "national" unity. Why will this "tolerance" be >> dangerous? Again, their (the overseas Asians) loyalty is only to their > specific family and their clan (who speaks their language and where they > share the > same food) and so they could usurp and corrupt the local people without > care or >> pangs of conscience. These overseas Asians were expelled from a certain > country by the Mandarin (educated) class who looked down on merchants as a >> lower/useless class (because it is said that they (merchants) do not or >> did > not subscribe to any sense of nationhood or sense of ethics or sense of > sacrifice or to a higher purpose but only focused on immediate material > gain/ and immediate >> material satisfaction). >> >> A merchant always looks at things in terms of material gain, material >> loss >> or breaking even and looks at relationships in terms of a transaction >> (for >> the gain, loss or breaking-even). >> >> Bottom Line: If the economy (and the people buried under it) is seen as a >> hunting ground by the overseas Asians who partner with the local "elite" >> to >> exploit the general population (thus a large population is in fact always >> an >> asset from a market standpoint) - then the existence of the autocracy or >> autocratic elite (in political elections, in business, in military >> affairs, > in government) will always be sustained and always be perpetuated without >> necessarily looking at the "national good". The sense of a "national >> good" > is a harmful idea to the overseas Asians. >> ============================== >> >> Question: Can or will or how the Philippines catch up with the rest of SE >> Asia, i.e. Singapore, HK, China, Malaysia? >> >> Answer: The answer is a no-brainer with respect to the "can". >> >> The more difficult part in the answer is the "how". The "how" >> poresupposes >> a country unified under one purpose. Some have stated that countries such >> as >> Singapore and HK have benefitted from the Philippines lying dormant >> because >> the "self-destructive" and "dysfunctionaL' behavior has allowed their >> economies to flourish. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is this saying what I think it does? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Crafty Dog: I appreciate the interest, and would like to offer my farthing's worth, but I do not understand your point. From your understanding, who do you think is being bigoted towards whom? Jay de Leon Marc Denny wrote: Woof All: I didn't notice the following passage when it was first posted, but this morning it caught my eye. While I am completely unqualified to enter into discussion of the subject of the piece (Filipino unity, progress, and the lack thereof), to my outsider's eye this reads like bigotry, plain and simple. It would be much easier for me to stay silent for it is not my oxe being gored here, but I would not feel right about myself if I did. Crafty Dog >> 3. The overseas Asians : Their role as culprits time and time again in >> keeping the Philippines and the Filipinos where they are: >> >> It has been said that allowing these peripatetic nomads to control (over >> the last 500 years ) large portions of the local "economy" will always be > a problem for generating "national" unity. Why will this "tolerance" be >> dangerous? Again, their (the overseas Asians) loyalty is only to their > specific family and their clan (who speaks their language and where they > share the > same food) and so they could usurp and corrupt the local people without > care or >> pangs of conscience. These overseas Asians were expelled from a certain > country by the Mandarin (educated) class who looked down on merchants as a >> lower/useless class (because it is said that they (merchants) do not or >> did > not subscribe to any sense of nationhood or sense of ethics or sense of > sacrifice or to a higher purpose but only focused on immediate material > gain/ and immediate >> material satisfaction). >> >> A merchant always looks at things in terms of material gain, material >> loss >> or breaking even and looks at relationships in terms of a transaction >> (for >> the gain, loss or breaking-even). >> >> Bottom Line: If the economy (and the people buried under it) is seen as a >> hunting ground by the overseas Asians who partner with the local "elite" >> to >> exploit the general population (thus a large population is in fact always >> an >> asset from a market standpoint) - then the existence of the autocracy or >> autocratic elite (in political elections, in business, in military >> affairs, > in government) will always be sustained and always be perpetuated without >> necessarily looking at the "national good". The sense of a "national >> good" > is a harmful idea to the overseas Asians. >> ============================== >> >> Question: Can or will or how the Philippines catch up with the rest of SE >> Asia, i.e. Singapore, HK, China, Malaysia? >> >> Answer: The answer is a no-brainer with respect to the "can". >> >> The more difficult part in the answer is the "how". The "how" >> poresupposes >> a country unified under one purpose. Some have stated that countries such >> as >> Singapore and HK have benefitted from the Philippines lying dormant >> because >> the "self-destructive" and "dysfunctionaL' behavior has allowed their >> economies to flourish. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:34:05 -0400 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is this saying what I think it does? Cc: Marc Denny Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mark, That's exactly what it sound like to me and I commend you for speaking out . I to haven’t any back round in these political matters either or any higher scholarly education But it definitely sounds like bigotry to me. john ---- Marc Denny wrote: > Woof All: > > I didn't notice the following passage when it was first posted, but this > morning it caught my eye. While I am completely unqualified to enter into > discussion of the subject of the piece (Filipino unity, progress, and the > lack thereof), to my outsider's eye this reads like bigotry, plain and > simple. > > It would be much easier for me to stay silent for it is not my oxe being > gored here, but I would not feel right about myself if I did. > > Crafty Dog > > > >> 3. The overseas Asians : Their role as culprits time and time again in > >> keeping the Philippines and the Filipinos where they are: > >> > >> It has been said that allowing these peripatetic nomads to control (over > >> the last 500 years ) large portions of the local "economy" will always be > > a problem for generating "national" unity. Why will this "tolerance" be > >> dangerous? Again, their (the overseas Asians) loyalty is only to their > > specific family and their clan (who speaks their language and where they > > share the > > same food) and so they could usurp and corrupt the local people without > > care or > >> pangs of conscience. These overseas Asians were expelled from a certain > > country by the Mandarin (educated) class who looked down on merchants as a > >> lower/useless class (because it is said that they (merchants) do not or > >> did > > not subscribe to any sense of nationhood or sense of ethics or sense of > > sacrifice or to a higher purpose but only focused on immediate material > > gain/ and immediate > >> material satisfaction). > >> > >> A merchant always looks at things in terms of material gain, material > >> loss > >> or breaking even and looks at relationships in terms of a transaction > >> (for > >> the gain, loss or breaking-even). > >> > >> Bottom Line: If the economy (and the people buried under it) is seen as a > >> hunting ground by the overseas Asians who partner with the local "elite" > >> to > >> exploit the general population (thus a large population is in fact always > >> an > >> asset from a market standpoint) - then the existence of the autocracy or > >> autocratic elite (in political elections, in business, in military > >> affairs, > > in government) will always be sustained and always be perpetuated without > >> necessarily looking at the "national good". The sense of a "national > >> good" > > is a harmful idea to the overseas Asians. > >> ============================== > >> > >> Question: Can or will or how the Philippines catch up with the rest of SE > >> Asia, i.e. Singapore, HK, China, Malaysia? > >> > >> Answer: The answer is a no-brainer with respect to the "can". > >> > >> The more difficult part in the answer is the "how". The "how" > >> poresupposes > >> a country unified under one purpose. Some have stated that countries such > >> as > >> Singapore and HK have benefitted from the Philippines lying dormant > >> because > >> the "self-destructive" and "dysfunctionaL' behavior has allowed their > >> economies to flourish. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:12:59 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Floyd Patterson, RIP Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I just read a couple of days ago (been very busy) that a man that I've held in extremely high regard for my whole life, ex-heavyweight boxing champion Floyd Patterson, has passed away. Patterson was, at the time, the youngest man to ever win the heavyweight title (until Mike Tyson), and was the first man to regain the heavyweight title, winning the title twice. He displayed the epitome of fighting spirit when he came back after a horrendous knockout in his first fight with Ingmarr Johansen, to knock Johansen out in their second fight and decisively regain the heavyweight boxing crown. The tremendous heart he showed in all three of their fights was outstanding, and was a tribute to the camp of the great trainer, Cus D'Amato, who went on to train Mike Tyson as well. After retirement, Patterson headed the New York State Athletic Commission for years, and his life was a success story that every up and coming young fighter could emulate. RIP, champ... Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest