Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 02:59:51 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #157 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Knives in UK (Michael Koblic) 2. Re: Knives in UK (iPat) 3. Re: Kinfe defense (Kes41355@aol.com) 4. Re: Knives in UK (Mike Casto) 5. Knife defence.. keeping it real? (Stef Morley) 6. Seminar (Sharon Tkach) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Knives in UK Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Stabbing is the most common method of killing. More than 240 murder victims were killed that way last year, 29% of those deliberately." What about the 71% killed by a knife - accidentally? Through an oversight? "Dr Murday, a surgeon at Glasgow Royal Infirmary, operates on three victims a week. His hospital receives hundreds of victims a month. Glasgow is Britain's capital for knife crime, with 55% of murders attributable to knife wounds. Dr Murday said anyone carrying a knife was a potential murderer" What is the mortality in the UK of medical (and surgical), errors and negligence? I bet it is greater than 240/year... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:55:46 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knives in UK Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 10 years ago it was the same number, yet the perception is that there is more of a knife carrying culture with youngsters today On 5/21/06, Michael Koblic wrote: > "Stabbing is the most common method of killing. More > than 240 murder victims were killed that way last > year, 29% of those deliberately." -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 12:35:52 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Kinfe defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, This is an excellent question, but I really hesitated before I committed to a response. I am approaching this from two standpoints...one, that most of us here are Filipino stylists, and therefore our arts are in essence, blade oriented (otherwise, if we weren't FMA stylists, we wouldn't be posting here). Second, I offer this from purely a defensive POV. As a Correctional Officer who has confiscated his share of homemade shanks, I well understand the prominence of a knife-type weapon among the criminal element. Therefore, my word of advice is this...if your teacher, or his teacher, isn't a knife fighter, than you are wasting your time. A person cannot pass on skills that they don't possess, and all the theory in the world doesn't equate experience. This may sound a bit brutal, but there is nothing nice and polite about a knife fight. Your teacher has to have, at some point, trained with, or been in an actual encounter with, a live blade. There is absolutely no substitute, no matter how close you try to emulate the live blade in training (obviously, this type of training isn't for everyone). My teachers, and myself and my students, have tested this over and over again in training. We have used all the training tools out there, and they all have their place, but we have come to understand that once the feeder places a live blade in his hands, everything changes, and it comes down to reflexes, responsiveness, and sensitivity, true sensitivity (involving not only hand sensitivity, but body angling, tucking, and the proper touch or "feel") that cannot be learned from any training tool. I hope I am not igniting any fires here, but this is something I feel very strongly about, from the POV of a student, a teacher, and a person who has been stabbed in the line of duty. As Bruce Lee so eloquently and succinctly stated, and I paraphrase here, "At some point, you have to get into the water." In all the years I've invested in the Filipino arts (29 years at last count) , I have only seen one training injury with a live blade, and it was a minor cut. To me, to learn the real way is still the safest, because you are developing real skills that will protect you in training, and will also carry over into a real encounter. Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima In a message dated 5/20/2006 11:38:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Question - other than staying alert and well clear of situations where you may be vunerable to a knife attack, what advice can members give on effective knife self defense. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knives in UK To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That's the wonders of modern media. People have so much more immediate access to current events and the media is everywhere that the average person's exposure to information has increased pretty dramatically ... and, therefore, the average perception is that there are more things happening when it's really just that people's awareness to them is rising. If I walk past a fenced yard every day and am unaware that there's a huge garden on the other side then one day the fence is gone, to my perception, it could be said that the garden - hundreds of flowers - appeared literally overnight. I think that with the modern access to info and abundance of media sources (it's harder to avoid being aware of the news around the world than it was to find it out 10 years ago) ... the fence has come down or, at least, has a lot more holes in it. So the overall perception is that the garden sprung up overnight because people were oblivious to the fence before it opened up. Mike Casto I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy - http://www.impactacademy.com Asian Fighting Arts - http://www.asianfightingarts.com Lansdale's Self-Defense - http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan Martial Arts Seminar Listing Page - http://seminars.guild-hall.com Martial Arts School Database - http://schools.guild-hall.com ----- Original Message ---- From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:55:46 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Knives in UK 10 years ago it was the same number, yet the perception is that there is more of a knife carrying culture with youngsters today On 5/21/06, Michael Koblic wrote: > "Stabbing is the most common method of killing. More > than 240 murder victims were killed that way last > year, 29% of those deliberately." -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stef Morley" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 21:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Knife defence.. keeping it real? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Kim, I read your post with interest. I am inclined to agree with your 'live is best' philosophy toward training in most cases, but must point out that while it must surely offer many advantages over alternative approaches, it also has some inbuilt flaws that must be compensated for. Firstly, You are correct.. once the feeder puts a live blade in thier hands.. everything does change. For one thing, they are far less likely to attack thier training partner with the same degree of ferocity, deception, or intention with a live blade, as they might with a training blade. In this regard, it is a serious departure from 'reality' based training. Secondly, The amount of physical risk one places ones self in while training, must be proportionate to the likelyhood of that training being of practical use. The risk should not outweigh the benefit. This is why the army do not use live ammunition during most of thier excercises. There comes a point where the level of reality in ones training can become counter productive. I feel that training with live blades is an example of this.  I have incorporated live blades into my training in the past, but only as far as they do not start to detract from the overall purpose of the drill, exercise or scenario. I feel live blades do have a place in training, but it is not central, or even neccesary for that matter. I recal seeing a Filipino master demonstrating his prowes with the bolo on a TV show. He started performing carenza, then midway through, substituted the training blade for a live one, before prompty proceeding to nearly cleave his own arm off. I hope for his students sake.. that all of his battle scars were not similarly inflicted. An opinion, nothing more. Regards all, Stef       -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Kes41355@aol.com Reply-To:  eskrima@martialartsresource.net To:  eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject:  [Eskrima] Re: Kinfe defense Date:  Sun, 21 May 2006 12:35:52 EDT >Hi all, > >This is an excellent question, but I really hesitated before I committed to >a response.  I am approaching this from two standpoints...one, that most of >us here are Filipino stylists, and therefore our arts are in essence, blade >oriented (otherwise, if we weren't FMA stylists, we wouldn't be posting  here). >Second, I offer this from purely a defensive POV.  As a  Correctional Officer >who has confiscated his share of homemade shanks, I well  understand the >prominence of a knife-type weapon among the criminal  element.  Therefore, my word >of advice is this...if your teacher, or his  teacher, isn't a knife fighter, >than you are wasting your time.  A person  cannot pass on skills that they >don't possess, and all the theory in the world  doesn't equate experience.  This >may sound a bit brutal, but there is  nothing nice and polite about a knife >fight.  Your teacher has to have, at  some point, trained with, or been in an >actual encounter with, a live  blade.  There is absolutely no substitute, no >matter how close  you try to emulate the live blade in training (obviously, this >type of training  isn't for everyone).  My teachers, and myself and my >students, have tested  this over and over again in training.  We have used all the >training  tools out there, and they all have their place, but we have come to >understand  that once the feeder places a live blade in his hands, everything >changes,  and it comes down to reflexes, responsiveness, and sensitivity, true >sensitivity  (involving not only hand sensitivity, but body angling, tucking, >and the  proper  touch or "feel") that cannot be learned from any training >tool.  I hope I am not igniting any fires here, but this is something I  feel >very strongly about, from the POV of a student, a teacher, and a  person who has >been stabbed in the line of duty.  As Bruce Lee so  eloquently and succinctly >stated, and I paraphrase here, "At some point, you  have to get into the >water."  In all the years I've invested in the  Filipino arts (29 years at last >count) , I have only seen one  training injury with a live blade, and it was a >minor cut.  To me, to  learn the real way is still the safest, because you are >developing real  skills that will protect you in training, and will also carry >over into a  real encounter. > >Kim Satterfield >Midwest School of Eskrima > > >In a message dated 5/20/2006 11:38:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > >Question  - other than staying alert and well clear of >situations where you may be  vunerable to a knife >attack, what advice can members give on  effective >knife self defense. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:39:32 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sanshou (Sanda) Seminar by Wim Demeere of Belgium Saturday, July 1, 2006 1-5pm, $40 Kim's Hapkido Dojang, San Dimas, CA (northeastern Los Angeles County) Mr. Demeere was the coach of the Belgium National Team and won several Gold Medals in National Full-Contact Fighting. He is the co-author with Loren Christensen (who was recently named one of the toughest men alive by Black Belt Magazine) of "The Fighter's Body," "Timing in the Fighting Arts," and also contributed to "Warriors" by Loren. For more info, please email me: stkach@hotmail.com ~Sharon Tkach --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest