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Re: Pikiti Tirsia Video from BBC (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:13:36 +0200 From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (ABANICO) Organization: ABANICO GmbH & Co KG To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Knifves in the UK Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: "Michael Koblic" >Subject: [Eskrima] Knives in UK >... Dr Murday said "anyone carrying a knife was a potential murderer" > > A scapel is a knife too, isn't it.... :-) Dieter --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:07:58 -0400 From: gatpuno@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Knife training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kim, Thank you for bringing this up. Apparently is topic that every single one of us, must realize. I experienced being in many fights, including multiple street fights, with knife involves. Believed me no matter how train you are, when you see and know that their blade involved of that confrontation, you are mixed feeling, either run, and be chaze or face and be stab or cuts. But this reminds me during my early days of training, and I questioned my fateher why I have to learn how to stab, which is very easy to stab, why I dont have to learn how cut or slashed? Well, my dad say and I believed that essential lesson, to every knife fighter or blade oriented arts. The hardest to recognized movement is the thrust, its a direct and linear and less action that you can recognized immidiately, therefore our training in the Garimot Arnis, practice only 3 point of thrusting (Tres Puntos), it trains you to recognize the motion of the body if he/she will execute thrusting/stabbing motion. Slashing motion, is circular arm movement, that every time its execute you can recognize immediately. I am not saying slashing is less effective that stabbing, in my opinion, stab or thrust wounds can caused fatal effect faster that slash cut effects. No I dont think you would start something that not aggreeable, it is common sence, the training in blade arts, if you practice plactic, rubber blade, wooden blade and other training knife, just tools to 101 of knife fighting, but to the progression, every single one of us, must learn how to used the real blade, and how to avoid being "to closed quarter" mentality, show some distance, and watch what is coming. Once you close the gap the knife is become dagerous, since your vision is less to the weapon hand, you have to relied on your common sence action, and sometimes put us in trouble. I know the feeling of being stab, being cut is not fun and scary feeling, but in real life and death situation, you have to do what you got to do. Again, so many knife arts I saw that every singel one of them practiced mostly slashing, and the trust is minor strike only, and I have news to all of you, considere looking at the reversing your training. practice more thrusting, and hand catching, pass, taps, disarm. This will help you to inclined to the real effective fighting arts. It is not necessarily seek professional teacher, just experiment on your own can help you too your progression of this arts. Salamt Kim, good points, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Message: 3 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 12:35:52 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Kinfe defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, This is an excellent question, but I really hesitated before I committed to a response. I am approaching this from two standpoints...one, that most of us here are Filipino stylists, and therefore our arts are in essence, blade oriented (otherwise, if we weren't FMA stylists, we wouldn't be posting here). Second, I offer this from purely a defensive POV. As a Correctional Officer who has confiscated his share of homemade shanks, I well understand the prominence of a knife-type weapon among the criminal element. Therefore, my word of advice is this...if your teacher, or his teacher, isn't a knife fighter, than you are wasting your time. A person cannot pass on skills that they don't possess, and all the theory in the world doesn't equate experience. This may sound a bit brutal, but there is nothing nice and polite about a knife fight. Your teacher has to have, at some point, trained with, or been in an actual encounter with, a live blade. There is absolutely no substitute, no matter how close you try to emulate the live blade in training (obviously, this type of training isn't for everyone). My teachers, and myself and my students, have tested this over and over again in training. We have used all the training tools out there, and they all have their place, but we have come to understand that once the feeder places a live blade in his hands, everything changes, and it comes down to reflexes, responsiveness, and sensitivity, true sensitivity (involving not only hand sensitivity, but body angling, tucking, and the proper touch or "feel") that cannot be learned from any training tool. I hope I am not igniting any fires here, but this is something I feel very strongly about, from the POV of a student, a teacher, and a person who has been stabbed in the line of duty. As Bruce Lee so eloquently and succinctly stated, and I paraphrase here, "At some point, you have to get into the water." In all the years I've invested in the Filipino arts (29 years at last count) , I have only seen one training injury with a live blade, and it was a minor cut. To me, to learn the real way is still the safest, because you are developing real skills that will protect you in training, and will also carry over into a real encounter. Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:30:24 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Jihad Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all Someone posted references to a 'Jihad' recently. Living in London, England, I need to be as wary of terrorism as the next man (I would have been on the underground when the bombs went off on July 7, but I happened to be running 10 minutes late). I know this is a little pedantic, but I feel a little clarification is required. I have spent some time in the middle east, and the term 'jihad', as I understand it, is actually a term meaning "Striving for one's faith". Thus, a muslim farmer ploughing his field and thinking 'good Muslim' thoughts is also performing jihad. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do anything violent or negative at all. The term seems to have been hijacked (pun intended) and applied only to (what I consider to be) negative acts. Just in case you hear it mentioned by muslims or anyone else - it may be completely innocent. Just my two pence worth Empty your cup Julian ############################################################################# ######## This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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There were a wall of people running towards us so we went inside a pharmacy where the owner 's quick thinking closed the accordion gates to protect the store and people inside. It was mass hysteria with people laying down on the street overrun by others. Plenty of Metrocom riot police with their rattan truncheons chasing who ever was running. The smell of tear gas mixed with grenade explosion and gunfire filled the air.....hard to forget the smell of that mixture of acrid smoke. It took us almost midnight to get home because the public transportation almost shutdown. We had to combine walking and riding jeepneys to get home. Thinking back, I believed and still do that former President Marcos New Society ideals and decipline were good for the Philippines. BTW, I lost a high school classmate/friend in one of the anti-goverrment rallies at the Luneta Grandstand during that time period. He was wearing thick corrective eye glasses. When the Metrocom riot police charged the rallyist, he ran but stumbled and lost his eye glasses. Since he cannot see, when he got up he run towards the charging metrocom riot police instead of away from them. He was clobbered on the head by the rattan truncheon and broke his skull. Dead on the spot...did not have chance. Gabe --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Argyll -" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:09:20 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Pikiti Tirsia Video from BBC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Don't recall this link being posted before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXfZ9C9vJso Good stuff. Best regards, Argyll -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:18:45 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Murderer Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/21/2006 12:39:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: "In reality, if you use a knife in a fight you have a substantial chance of killing somebody. Just carrying the knife makes you a potential murderer." I disagree with this statement and find it quite "dum". But it isn't surprising where it came from. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Knives in UK or USA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings all !! Really, the use and defense against a short knife/blade in MA training is most touchy and a good thread for MA discord. So many variables/philosophies/approaches/etc be it for training in the dojo/reality/law enforcement/etc. My bit is to continue and keep what we all have in our classes just in case. Better than none irregardless for when a knifer happens to come our way and hope that he does what we have been practicing in our dojos. Not !!! The philippines or anywhere, I have yet to see two guys drawing up their short blades and going at each other. Often the stabbing victim falls short on being forewarned or be aware of, provoked unarmed, caught surprisingly before it happened and so end result is often fatal. Regarding the obssessions with knives and why there are so many stabbing incidents out there today. Just go to any sporting good store or Flea market anyday and see the many throngs of guys checking the place out. It is intriguing why ?? Perhaps maybe watching Snipes vampire movies, Crouching tigers, House of Flying Daggers, Kill Bill series, etc.has something to do with it?? Oh well just one reason perhaps and no wonder.. I must admit so does the many men who crowds the knife stores in awe and checking out the many kinds of blades out there. Lots to choose and buy aside the many others I already have in possession. They are easy to have, cheap, and no limits/restrictions for ownership even the one replica of "Connan the Barbarian" huge sword. And guess who use these blades for fun and or anything else. Not the righteous FMA crowd though. We have ethos and great respect for the blade. However, as with all things sometimes a few makes the news and so pity the guy who pissed an FMA practitioner.... Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:31:51 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Knife matters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All > 10 years ago it was the same number, yet the perception is that there > is more of a knife carrying culture with youngsters today > , , , >- > Pat Davies > www.amag.org.uk Pat: I have been reading elsewhere (usually American gun nuts ;-) ) that the number has been increasing rather strongly. I know you know whereof you speak. If convenient, would you please direct me to data on this? --------- Kim S: Thank you for your post. I would add to your post the possibility that the student may have more of a fighter's understanding than the teacher and be able to extract value from the material despite the teacher's limitations. Also, I have recently begun experimenting with the "Shocknife" as a tool to promote adrenal dump and more realistic reactions. It seems to have promise. -------- All: One of the perennial challenges of a knife art is what to show and what to keep secret. A new clip is up at www.dogbrothers.com titled "Rambling Ruminations: Knife" wherein I assay an answer. The Adventure continues, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Pikiti Tirsia Video from BBC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Don't recall this link being posted before: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXfZ9C9vJso > > Good stuff. Agreed! I like to see the environmental training aspects, also commonly found in Inayan and hopefully most other eskrimas. 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