Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:34:18 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #162 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Who? (iPat) 2. re: Who (tvalesky@patriot.net) 3. RE: Who? (Young Forest) 4. Jihad, Crusades, etc (Marc Denny) 5. re: Who (Leo Daher) 6. Hughes will KO Gracie (Erol Weber) 7. Matt or Royce (Aurelio Devera) 8. Re: Jihad, Crusades, etc (jay de leon) 9. Re: Who? (Afern27@aol.com) 10. RE: Jihad, Crusades, etc (Ken Borowiec) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:12:14 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Who? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Matts had problems against BJJers before, but Penn can punch a lot harder than Royce. I see it going 3 rounds with Hughes' g&p dictating the game. Think it will be an anticlimax action wise and have heard stories that Royce wasnt taking it seriously enough, but i wouldnt put any money on that. Hughes will look to stifle Royces attempt to manouver to his back. Its going to be like chess. my 2pence worth. Ill be with Guro Inosanto in Germany anyway : ) On 5/25/06, Ray wrote: > > This weekend... Matt or Royce? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:39 -0400 (EDT) From: tvalesky@patriot.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: Who Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Matt, unless he does something stupid. Lay-and-pray doesn't work under the current rules. Under UFC1 rules (no rounds, no time limits, ref doesn't stand you up for inactivity), I think it could go either way, but under the current rules, I just don't see a way for Royce to win. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:47:31 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Who? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >This weekend... Matt or Royce? Matt. Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis www.youngforest.ca --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:04:19 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Jihad, Crusades, etc Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Regarding these comments: > I don't see it as apologism, but more like getting to the core of what > those > teachings were supposed to be about originally. > > Shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp, as we have many examples of how > Christianity can be twisted and used to do very un-Christian things. > > , , , > > Amen to that. > > Crusades for starters. > I HAVE done more than a little reading, and there is no way around the fact that some of the original ideas of Islam are aggressive. "Jihad" CAN be used as mentioned here, but in fact it is frequently used as a concept of violence and aggression. There is no way around this. If you want to play history and mention the Crusades, then mention the Islamic invasions of Spain and into France, the sieges of Constantinople and conquests into the Balkans, and so forth which preceded the Crusades. Readily agreed that there was a time, several hundred years ago, when Christianity was violent, but Christianity has had its reformation-- but we live now. Will Islam have its reformation? The singer Madonna, whose stage name alone is a blasphemy, dances in her underwear on crucifixes and humps Jesus and no one bats an eye, but cartoons have hundreds of thousands howling in the streets for death. Our first amendment calls for separation of church and state-- no establishment of a state religion-- and Islam calls exactly for the establishment of a state religion that rules by religious law-- Sharia. There is no way around this. No churches, synagogues, ashrams, etc are to be found in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam and no bibles, torahs, etc are allowed. Seeking to convert a Muslim to another religion is a capital crime, and if he is persuaded it is a capital crime for him too. Where were the world-wide protests when that fellow in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity was sentenced to death a couple of months ago? None-- the response at best was silence and substantial support was expressed. In a certain sense the struggle today is not the clash of civilizations, but the struggle within Islam over what road it will travel from here forward. Marc --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Leo Daher" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:13:43 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] re: Who Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Lay and pray"? Boy, that's a funny one. I thought all of Royce's 11 wins in the UFC - against bigger and stronger opponents, fighting several times in the same night - were by submission. Didn't realize those were actually cases of divine intervention... Whoever wins, I think it's gonna be a great fight. "Praise be that which toughens" - Nietzsche -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tvalesky@patriot.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: Who Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Matt, unless he does something stupid. Lay-and-pray doesn't work under the current rules. Under UFC1 rules (no rounds, no time limits, ref doesn't stand you up for inactivity), I think it could go either way, but under the current rules, I just don't see a way for Royce to win. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Erol Weber To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hughes will KO Gracie Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, I have to go with Matt Hughes. On top of being a much younger fighter, Hughes is one of the most well rounded fighters in today's game. While there is always an outside chance that Gracie will slip in a finisher, Hughes' strength and speed usually allow him to reverse mistakes in which he has been in a disadvantageous position. When it comes to striking, unless Royce has completed upgraded his training, I don't even see a comparison. I simply feel the Matt is too much stronger, with more ability to capitalize on an advantage than Royce. Hughes to win by KO by the 2nd round. Erol Weber Message: 5 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Who? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This weekend... Matt or Royce? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Aurelio Devera To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Matt or Royce Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, This is a tough one - you got Matt a Dominant Fighter on the other Hand you have Royce - the best Jujitsu submission technician ever - so I go for Royce. Aurelio - Glendora Kajukenbo --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Jihad, Crusades, etc To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Agree with Marc completely. There are underground jihad cells all over Europe, parts of Asia, and possibly North America. Their goal is to slay any infidel, enforce sharia and restore the former power and glory of the caliphate (the regions that Islam once controlled, as Marc describes, including part of the Philippines). A few countries are beginning to push back, like Australia. It will now expel anybody espousing sharia. The message is, if you want sharia, go find another country. Which I think is only logical and prudent on Australia's part. Not all Moslems are jihadists. Not all terrorists or suicide bombers are jihadists. Within Islam, they are divided which road to travel. The US will be well served in continuing a policy to reach out to its Moslem brothers, the so-called battle to win hearts and minds. It will go a long way. Jay de Leon Marc Denny wrote: Woof All: Regarding these comments: > I don't see it as apologism, but more like getting to the core of what > those > teachings were supposed to be about originally. > > Shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp, as we have many examples of how > Christianity can be twisted and used to do very un-Christian things. > > , , , > > Amen to that. > > Crusades for starters. > I HAVE done more than a little reading, and there is no way around the fact that some of the original ideas of Islam are aggressive. "Jihad" CAN be used as mentioned here, but in fact it is frequently used as a concept of violence and aggression. There is no way around this. If you want to play history and mention the Crusades, then mention the Islamic invasions of Spain and into France, the sieges of Constantinople and conquests into the Balkans, and so forth which preceded the Crusades. Readily agreed that there was a time, several hundred years ago, when Christianity was violent, but Christianity has had its reformation-- but we live now. Will Islam have its reformation? The singer Madonna, whose stage name alone is a blasphemy, dances in her underwear on crucifixes and humps Jesus and no one bats an eye, but cartoons have hundreds of thousands howling in the streets for death. Our first amendment calls for separation of church and state-- no establishment of a state religion-- and Islam calls exactly for the establishment of a state religion that rules by religious law-- Sharia. There is no way around this. No churches, synagogues, ashrams, etc are to be found in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam and no bibles, torahs, etc are allowed. Seeking to convert a Muslim to another religion is a capital crime, and if he is persuaded it is a capital crime for him too. Where were the world-wide protests when that fellow in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity was sentenced to death a couple of months ago? None-- the response at best was silence and substantial support was expressed. In a certain sense the struggle today is not the clash of civilizations, but the struggle within Islam over what road it will travel from here forward. Marc _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Afern27@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:02:39 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Who? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Heart wants Royce, but head says Matt Hughes. --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Jihad, Crusades, etc Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:52:46 -0400 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One. I mentioned the crusades as an example of how MOST religions manipulate their beliefs into what they want, This way they can do what they want in the name of god. Almost All religions have committed crimes in the name of god. More people have died in the name of god than anything else. I can go on and list the religions and their crimes. The two religions that stand out most today are Christianity and Muslim their history is full of crimes in the name of god. So again my only point is remember it is not the religion it is the people who use their belief to Hurt others and give good god believing people a bad name. (I hate "god fearing", it indicates he uses retribution, and well Madonna IS still alive isn't she.) Your mention of Saudi Arabia is a great example of crimes against humanity. Think Iraq was bad? they look like boy scouts when compared to SA, if you look up events as far as 2002. If what Bush says is true, that we went to free an oppressed people, what the hell is he doing eating dinner with any gov official from SA for? Ken --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest