Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:59:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #166 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jihad (Bill McGrath) 2. Re: Knife training (Kes41355@aol.com) 3. Re: Islam (Afern27@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: Jihad (TCKWAN) 5. Re: Islam (Todd Ellner) 6. Jihad on the jihad (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill McGrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Jihad Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ever since 911, I have put some helpful links on my website with infomation about Islam and Islamic terrorism. You will find the links on this page: http://www.pekiti.com/misc.php#other I would also like to recommend this book: The Sword of the Prophet by Serge Trifkovic. The subtitles read; The politically incorrect guide to Islam/Islam history, theology, impact on the world. As someone else has posted, there were many massacres of Christians and other non-muslims made in the wars of Islamic conquest prior to the Crusades (as well as many since). This book gives you the facts and figures. The book can be ordered from the publisher's website: http://www.reginaorthodoxpress.com/ Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:17:10 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Knife training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Well, I have to apologize. I kinda started something about knife training here, and then I didn't follow it up at all. Work has been really crazy, and I haven't had time to jump in again until now, and I need to qualify some things I said previously. Please don't misunderstand; my stance isn't "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" with knife training. I stated my POV that to effectively defend against a knife attack, you must train with a real blade. I still believe that, but please understand that this is not meant to be at the exclusion of every other type of training tool. There are some excellent training tools out there (we are currently experimenting with sparring with a plastic blade that can be chalked, and are pleased with the results so far), and new things are being invented every day (the key to an effective training tool is if the facsimile raises the "alarm factor" as a live blade would, something that makes you respect the contact of the tool). I also still believe that either your teacher, or his teacher, must have been a knife fighter or a proponent of live blade training in order to be able to pass on realistic skills. I also should have gone into detail on the type of drills with a live blade I was referring to. We do our knife tapping drills (Inayan knife tapping drills) with a live blade, AFTER the student has been introduced to the drills with the wooden training dagger. We also do lock and block (a drill to develop spontaneity and reflexes) with the live blade, ONLY if the advanced student desires to do so. We don't force live blade training on anyone; it's only for those only those expressing a desire to test themselves and give it a try. For exapmle, we have found that LEO's and CO's are more than willing to jump in the water, since we face these situations at work, and want to be prepared in case of a blade attack. So, in a nutshell, live blade training isn't for everyone, but if you desire to experiment with live blades, seek out a teacher who has experience with the live blade, or comes form a lineage where live blade training was an integral part of the curriculum. This is not only for realistic training, but for the safety factor as well, since a teacher who has trained extensively with the live blade will respect the sharp blade and his students enough to keep the training as safe as possible, and will only allow the student to progress at their own speed. Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Afern27@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:39:24 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Islam Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just keep in mind that: 1) Not all of the world's Muslims are responsible for killing people's loved ones. It's one specific subset of Islam--we don't judge all of American Christianity by the many Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell types that tend to emerge from it, do we? 2) American foreign policy perhaps has some responsibility for drawing these fanatics' ire. (Our support of the Saudi regime, our mostly one-sided interference in the Arab-Israeli conflict, etc.) But this is really veering into more of a political discussion not appropriate to this forum. So this will be my last comment on the subject. Back to eskrima. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:36:47 -0400 From: TCKWAN To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Jihad Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm in the middle of Amy Chua's book, 'World on Fire', ISBN: 0385503024 ...may also be of interest to some, later, Chuck Bill McGrath wrote: > Ever since 911, I have put some helpful links on my > website with infomation about Islam and Islamic > terrorism. You will find the links on this page: > http://www.pekiti.com/misc.php#other > > I would also like to recommend this book: The Sword of > the Prophet by Serge Trifkovic. The subtitles read; > The politically incorrect guide to Islam/Islam > history, theology, impact on the world. As someone > else has posted, there were many massacres of > Christians and other non-muslims made in the wars of > Islamic conquest prior to the Crusades (as well as > many since). This book gives you the facts and > figures. The book can be ordered from the publisher's > website: http://www.reginaorthodoxpress.com/ > > Regards, > Tuhon Bill McGrath > > __________________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:43:44 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Islam Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Barry writes: >I agree with Marc also,and I don't hate to say it. >If someone kills the one's I love, I have no need or desire to "understand >Where they are coming from"... >I will not express my opinion any further on that subject...... Then you must support the Patriots in Iraq who bravely blow themselves up to get the G-dless invaders who blew up their homes, occupied their country, starved their families for twelve years and murder grandmothers and little children without remorse. Self preservation is the first duty. But "Kill them. Kill them all. Don't stop killing them. Don't EVER question why it's happening," is a great way to kill lots and lots of innocent people, beggar yourself and never achieve anything except for a huge pile of dead bodies. If you can figure out how the other guy thinks and reacts you have a chance of ending the fight either by defeating him or coming to some kind of accommodation you can both live with. If you can't you will waste blood and treasure forever without hope of victory or peace. Ignorant is stupid. Stupid is weak. Weak is dead. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 17:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Jihad on the jihad Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ok folks, I guess it is time to end the jihad thread. I think it has now run its useful course, esp for an FMA forum. Back to FMA. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest