Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:18:17 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #170 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. A.K.A (Marc Denny) 2. Re: Silicon Valley fight clubs (Gints Klimanis) 3. Re: Silicon Valley fight clubs (Jared Dame) 4. Fight Club (Boit Clinton Maj AF/A1MP) 5. MOMENTS IN PHILIPPINE HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF BENIGNO AQUINO (jay de leon) 6. RE: MOMENTS IN PHILIPPINE HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF BENIGNO AQUINO (Cayson, Clint) 7. Knife used in self-defense (aburrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:33:59 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] A.K.A Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Gints a.k.a. Candidate Baltic Dog wrote: > Message: 1 > From: "Gints Klimanis" > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: UFC for Women > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >> From: iPat >> FMA wise, do the dog brother Gatherings or any other full contact >> groups have women coming through? > > Three ladies fought in a Dog Brother Gathering in November 2004. > They swung sticks, punched, kicked and grappled. The fights > were just as eventful as those for guys as each woman had considerable > experience, though the crowd reaction was amplified. > > http://www.dogbrothers.com/gallery/Nov04/res47794 > > From left to right: Sheri, , Linda, Veruska > (Please correct my spelling) > > Gints I had forgotten exactly which Gathering they fought at, but the description is sound. We had an awesome picture of Linda on the rampage on the front page of our site for several weeks. And yes the skills were there. Verushka is from Italy, trains with Guro Roberto Bonomelli (under Guro Inosanto) and also trains in DBMA (with both me and Guro Lonely Dog). Linda also had an excellent knife fight with a man IIRC. > Message: 12 > From: Ray >>> USA Today ran a brief article on an upsurge in the popularity of >> underground fight clubs amongst tech workers in California. >> >> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-05-29-fight-club_x.htm >> >> Frying pans? Pillowcases stuffed with soda cans? > > Strange as it may seem, a few don't even meet in the same place twice to > reduce visibility. > > No frying pans or pillowcases, just sticks. Interesting groups... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com In addition to C-Baltic Dog/Gints, also in this clan are Dog Rog Tinkoff, Dog Milt Tinkoff, and Dog Chris S. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gints Klimanis" To: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 03:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Silicon Valley fight clubs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: "Nathan Miller" > USA Today ran a brief article on an upsurge in the popularity of > underground fight clubs amongst tech workers in California. > > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-05-29-fight-club_x.htm > > Frying pans? Pillowcases stuffed with soda cans? Actually, they're baking pans. The cans are of diet soda, of course, inspired by the scene in the Sean Penn movie "Bad Boys" (1983) . The flexible weapon is a towel tipped with a bar of Safeguard soap, inspired by the scene in "Full Metal Jacket." (Irish Spring leaves you smelling clean as a whistle while Dove leaves your hands silky soft) I was quite shocked to read that article. The media spin was faster than anything I would have guessed from the hour-long phone interview and the observation of two sessions. Here's the video for the story by the same news organization, AP, the Associated Press : http://video.ap.org/v/en-ap/v.htm?g=2bada3c7-7672-4a55-95a6-1d6d0b74fe52&f=ap&fg=copy Here's more from earlier this year. I prefer this sort of spin. CBS COOL Preview : http://www.cbs5.com/video/?id=11364@kpix.dayport.com CBS Short Story (3:47) : http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_059005903.html --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:21:50 -0600 From: "Jared Dame" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Silicon Valley fight clubs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey I wonder if anyone would go up against you at the gathering if you told them you would provide the pillowcase and beer cans? On 5/30/06, Ray wrote: > > > USA Today ran a brief article on an upsurge in the popularity of > > underground fight clubs amongst tech workers in California. > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-05-29-fight-club_x.htm > > > > Frying pans? Pillowcases stuffed with soda cans? > > Strange as it may seem, a few don't even meet in the same place twice to > reduce visibility. > > No frying pans or pillowcases, just sticks. Interesting groups... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:32:42 -0400 From: "Boit Clinton Maj AF/A1MP" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Fight Club Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net MENLO PARK, Calif. (AP) - They may sport love handles and Ivy League degrees, but every two weeks some Silicon Valley techies turn into vicious street brawlers in a real-life, underground fight club. Kicking, punching and swinging every household object imaginable - from frying pans and tennis rackets to pillowcases stuffed with soda cans - they beat each other mercilessly in a garage in this bedroom community south of San Francisco. Then, bloodied and bruised, they limp back to their desks in the morning. "When you get beat down enough, it becomes a very un-macho thing," said Shiyin Siou, 34, a Santa Clara software engineer and three-year veteran of the clandestine fights. "But I don't need this to prove I'm macho - I'm macho enough as it is." Inspired by the 1999 film Fight Club, starring Brad Pitt and Ed Norton, underground bare-knuckle brawling clubs have sprung up across the country as a way for desk jockeys and disgruntled youths to vent their frustrations and prove themselves. "This is as close as you can get to a real fight, even though I've never been in one," the soft-spoken Siou said. Despite his reserved demeanor, he daydreams about inflicting pain on an attacker. "I have fantasies about it," he said. In recent months, police in New Jersey and Pennsylvania have broken up fight clubs involving teens and preteens who posted videos of their bloody battles online. Earlier this month in Arlington, Texas, a high school student who didn't want to participate was beaten so badly that he suffered a brain hemorrhage and broken vertebrae. Six teenagers were arrested after DVDs of the fight appeared for sale online. Adult groups are more likely to fly under the radar of authorities. Menlo Park police hadn't heard about the local club and said they wouldn't be likely to take action because the fights are on private property between consenting adults. That could change if someone complains or is sent to a hospital, police said. Gints Klimanis, a 37-year-old software engineer and martial arts instructor, started the invitation-only "Gentlemen's Fight Club" in Menlo Park in 2000 after his no-holds-barred sessions with a training partner grew to more than a dozen people. Most participants are men working in the high-tech industry. "You get to be a superhero for a night," Klimanis said. "We have to go to work every day. We're constantly told to buy things we don't need, and just for a couple hours we have the freedom to do what we want to do." The only protective equipment used is fencing and hockey masks. Several fighters have suffered broken noses, ribs and fingers. Men involved in fight clubs often carry bottled-up violent impulses learned in childhood from video games, cartoons and movies, said Michael Messner, a University of Southern California sociology and gender studies professor. "Boys have these warrior fantasies picked up from popular culture, and schools sort of force that out of them," he said. In these fantasies, "The good guys always resort to violence, and they always get the glory and the women." There is also a sadomasochistic thread running through underground fight clubs, said Michael Kimmel, a sociology professor at Stony Brook University in New York. "Real-life fight clubs are the male version of the girls who cut themselves," he said. "All day long these guys think they're the captains of the universe, technical wizards. They're brilliant but empty. "They want to feel differently. They want to get hit, they want to feel something real." Five-year fight club veteran Dinesh Prasad, 32, a heavily tattooed Santa Clara engineer, said he once broke a rib in a match but never complained to his fellow combatants. He also recently skipped his first wedding anniversary to attend a fight rather than drive to Los Angeles, where his wife is finishing law school. "I came here to get over my fear of fighting, and it's working," he said. "I'm much tougher than I was five years ago. I'm not at the level of these other guys, but if things were to get tough, I can get tough, too." --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] MOMENTS IN PHILIPPINE HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF BENIGNO AQUINO Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net MOMENTS IN PHILIPPINE HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF BENIGNO AQUINO On Aug. 21, 1983, Benigno Aquino was on a China Air Lines flight from Taipei, his last stopover from the United States to the Philippines. It was a regular commercial flight for the China Air Lines, but it was no ordinary flight for Benigno “Ninoy”Aquino. He had spent the past three and a half years in relative tranquility in the United States. After years of incarceration in the Philippines by Pres. Ferdinand Marcos, he was released and allowed to fly to the United States for medical treatment. After his successful medical treatment, he had spent the last three years recuperating, spending time with his family and teaching at Harvard University. Now he was on his way back to the Philippines. He would appeal to Marcos to relinquish power and return the Philippines to democracy. Failing that, he was ready to resume his political crusade against Marcos and suffer alongside his people. On board the flight were several television crews including, I believe, one headed by Aquino’s own son-in-law. The television crews conducted several interviews right during the flight. In the interview, Ninoy acknowledged the gravity of the situation and the danger he was facing on his return to the Philippines. Arrest and detention, and even summary execution or assassination were real possibilities. He even warned the cameramen to be quick with their cameras when they land, as it could be over quickly. I saw this particular television program when it aired years later, from the plane flight right down to Ninoy Aquino’s final moments on earth. When the plane landed, the film shows uniformed soldiers boarding the plane. The head of the group approached a seated Ninoy Aquino, saluted and ostensibly introduced himself as the head of his security detail. Ninoy stood up, gathered his belongings and went with the detail and exited the plane. The plane door was then shut, and the cameras could no longer follow Ninoy’s progress past that point. A few minutes later, there was a commotion inside the plane among the passengers, and the camera panned outside the plane, either through an open window or the door itself. The camera showed a fallen Ninoy laying face down on the tarmac floor. Supposedly a lone gunman named Rolando Galman was able to elude posted guards numbering thousands in the runway and airport area, and fired one shot at Ninoy’s head, killing him instantly. The security detail then shot and killed the alleged gunman. Either this was one of the most inept security detail in the history of the planet, or it was one of the more elaborate assassination scenarios in Philippine history. The hue and cry and outrage at Ninoy Aquino’s murder reverberated not just in the Philippines but also worldwide. As expected, the list of usual suspects was long and intriguing, and included Imelda Marcos, the communists, Gen. Fabian Ver and other high ranking military officials, Marcos crony Eduardo Cojuangco and others but not President Marcos, who was on his sickbed recovering from a recent kidney transplant. The military soldiers and officers on the tarmac who escorted Ninoy from the plane were tried, convicted and meted life sentences. But the government investigative panel, called the Agrava Fact Finding Board, failed to uncover a mastermind. The Manila International Airport (MIA) where Ninoy was assassinated was subsequently renamed the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA). Ninoy’s death and its tumultuous aftermath eventually led to EDSA, the People’s Revolution, and Marcos’s unceremonious flight from the Philippines in 1986. Questions: Who do you think ordered the assassination of Ninoy Aquino? If Ninoy Aquino was not assassinated but instead allowed his opposition activities against President Marcos, would he have succeeded in toppling Marcos? Where were you and what do you remember about this incident? Jay de Leon www.philippinereporter.blogspot.com Copyright Jay de Leon 2006 --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] MOMENTS IN PHILIPPINE HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF BENIGNO AQUINO Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:15:03 -0400 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mang Jay, Thank you for that "to the point and accurate account of Ninoy Aquino". One of the most crucial histories of the Philippines ever recorded on film. Now, here are my answers to your queries. 1. Who do you think ordered the assassination of Ninoy Aquino? Answer: Two words... Imelda Marcos. 2. If Ninoy Aquino was not assassinated but instead allowed his opposition activities against President Marcos, would he have succeeded in toppling Marcos? Answer: Yes. IMO, He would have been a better president compared to Ferdinand Marcos. 3. Where were you and what do you remember about this incident? Answer: I was in my first year in college in University of San Carlos (Cebu City) and my 3rd year in FMA training when the incident happened. Gumagalang, Clint _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:27:51 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Knife used in self-defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Story regarding a person defending himself with a pocket knife. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9290011/detail.html Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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