Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:49:18 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #182 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. The Menace (Marc MacYoung) 2. other topic: world cup (iPat) 3. Functional (Ollie Batts) 4. Mo Teague (Gilmour, Julian) 5. Re: Functional (iPat) 6. More on the DB Gathering on June 25. (Marc Denny) 7. martial arts in schools (shane) 8. FMAdigest - Special Edition Philippine Sayaw (Al Sardinas) 9. Article on Mindanao 6 (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:05:34 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] The Menace Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > OK, I'll bite. Are there any pictures of this? Would the lawyer's feline > fecundity be reduced by calling it a "Lovechild" or "Magnolia" instead of > "Menace"? > Michael Koblic, Well the name combined with specialized attributes sure'n hell didn't help. But some of those attributes are kind of hard to justify as important to a tool. M --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:12:37 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] other topic: world cup Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net yep a real world cup where there are teams from all over the world participating ; ) in Germany. i dare say our aussie cousins are still celebrating their late win yesterday while our US poor relations will be very quiet since they got beat by the Czech Republic 3 nil (shouldnt have nicked the name of their beer should ya). The Brazilians come out to play today! So far the Argentinians have looked the best imho Arndt, who posts here, is working of course as part of the huge police operation. When i spoke to him recently at a seminar in Speyer, he was expecting a busy time but so far it seems its a real festive occasion! -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:45:55 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Functional Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi again Pat, Thanks for your reply, and for clarifying your point. I now understand what you meant by your original post. I'll ask Mo' when I see him exactly why he felt it necessary to add the word 'Functional' in front of the word 'JKD'. I can assure you that I certainly wasn't aiming the term 'airy fairy' at you. It was simply a case of me being well aware that there are many people with few, if any, qualifications (in any art at all) who do 'a bit of this, and a bit of that' and then call what they do 'JKD'. I also agree with your points about the direction that the martial arts have been going in the last 10 years or so. It's true to say that Mo' has 'worked the doors' in the past, but he's also put some time in and trained with some good people too - Richard Bustillo and Rick Faye, to name a couple. I also agree with you that people should give due credit. I once saw a Taekwondo demonstration where they did a few kicks and then waved some Eskrima sticks around a bit. As far as the general public were being led to believe, the stick-work was part of Taekwondo. Having said that, there is a great deal of overlap in the martial arts, and no one art can really lay absolute claim, for example, to any particular joint lock, or weapon cutting motion, etc., in any case. With regards to the word 'Panantukan' - can you, or anyone else for that matter, tell me the source of the word please? I'm told that it's not really known of in the Philippines. Is it, perhaps, an American Filipino term? Ollie --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:59:10 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Mo Teague Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all While I expect Mo Teague does have some valuable information to teach, he has been known to talk negatively of other martial artists, including Guro Inosanto, in some of his magazine articles. This may be why he is not on the top of some people's Christmas card list. As for the title of 'Functional JKD'.... Surely "functional" can be interchangeable for "useful" here. "Absorb what is useful" - sounds familiar - Teague doesn't seem to have come up with a new concept at all. Empty your cup Julian ############################################################################# ######## This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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But to indicate im not acting out of blind faith, it does seem to have a strong US Filipino source to it, but considering that many of the 'practitioners' origionated from the Philipines, many fighting in the WW2 Filipino Rangers unit, i find it hard to simply pass it off as a Stockton derived term. Again, i have heard it explained that there were many different 'games' that derived rules that suited those who made them up and so it conceivable it is a term that reflects a 'sport' found in one area. With time people, including myself, may lump many things under the umbrella changing the origional emphasis. I shall attempt to get a better understanding soon by asking my instructors for a more precise definition if there is one. On 6/13/06, Ollie Batts wrote: > > . > With regards to the word 'Panantukan' - can you, or anyone else for that > matter, tell me the source of the word please? I'm told that it's not > really > known of in the Philippines. Is it, perhaps, an American Filipino term? > > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:55:41 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] More on the DB Gathering on June 25. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: http://dogbrothers.com/wrapper.php?file=gathering.htm for the necessary info. My wife tells me we already have 31 fighters, including 2 from Switzerland, 3 from Canada, and two from England have promised to register as well. We will be continuing our adventures in the knife fights trying to bring the draw into the mix-- as well as the option of intercepting the draw. Thus should someone seek to intercept the draw, EH vs. knife could readily present itself. And, it being a DB Gathering people are welcome to try EH vs. knife explicitly. A new experiment this time we will be encouraging knife vs. stick. I picture this taking two basic approaches as far as gear/weapons go. 1) A regularly geared stick fighter vs a regularly geared knife fighter. I'm thinking the knifeman should get a decent sized aluminum trainer so that he too can impose substantial pain. 2) A regularly geared knifeman with a Shocknife. Although the use here is other than intended for a Shocknife (e.g. getting hit full tilt by a sturdy rattan stick) Jeff Quail has been kind enough to provide one. Concerning the stickman, naturally his stick can be of the usual sort, but I'm thinking though that the metal fencing mask presents unknown issues concerning the conduction of electricity. Besides what would be the fun of getting whacked with a stick if your slash of his throat did not collect on the price in pain that you paid? :-) A similar question presents with the hand gear protecting too much from the shock. So I'm thinking that if there is a stickman bold enough to accept the challenge, that the stickman could go with some sort of thin glove (e.g. the baseball batting gloves that some of the guys are wearing) and raquetball goggles to protect his eyes from the sparks combined with an agreement of no uncontrolled thrusting to the face , , , or something like that. Of course I am open to suggestions, particulary from the fighters themselves. The Adventure continues, , , Crafty Dog DBIMA (this as a reminder that in this context- just like my teaching- I operate as a corporation for reasons of legal liability issues) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "shane" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] martial arts in schools Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi every one I am writing a research paper for a class and am looking for a little help. I want to write about martial arts programs in public school whether they are a good thing, or bad, and how I can get stats. I am hoping to find out if it helps prevent kids joining gangs,cuts down on communtiy violence or any other pros or cons that may contribute to my paper. Any help you can provide would be appreciated shane --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:32:04 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] FMAdigest - Special Edition Philippine Sayaw Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To those members interested in expanding their knowledge about the Philippines and FMA, check out the FMA digest http://www.fmadigest.com . Gat Puno Baet has written an extensive article on Filipino Folk Dances and the Fighting Arts. Subscribers to this digest will be able to read this article and other articles on Filipino dances now. Non-subcribers will have to wait till it is available on the web site. Hint. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of The Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Article on Mindanao 6 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net MINDANAO JOTTINGS : JUST ANOTHER DAY AT THE OFFICE, OR YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD DIVERSITY PROBLEMS AT WORK I grew up most of my life as a city boy in metro Manila. I only knew of Christian versus Muslim hostilities in Mindanao reading the newspapers and watching television clips. When I started working in Cotabato, I saw the violence and the animosity firsthand, even within my own company. We set up our first base camp in a town called Baguer. It was a nice almost bucolic town, but the main reason why we decided on it was because it was a peaceful Christian town, and the chief of police was a no-nonsense guy who welcomed the business the road construction would bring to his town. Baguer went from a quiet, nondescript town to a bustling hub of construction activity. Among other equipment, my company had a fleet of earth-moving dump trucks and stake trucks for long-distance hauls, bought from Hino from Japan. There was a long line of applicants for the numerous jobs available, but the premium jobs were still the drivers’s jobs. A couple of months into actual operations, the construction superintendent proudly pointed to one of our trucks and said, “That is our first Muslim hire. He is an excellent driver and a good guy. And he is from Matalam.” The significance of that last statement was not lost on me. Just as we were now operating out of a forward base camp, we were scheduled to operate out of a final camp out of the town of Matalam towards the end of the construction. Matalam was a Muslim town, and considered a security risk. We needed all the goodwill we could get for that stay in Matalam. I commended my construction superintendent for such a pro-active move. A couple of days later, one of my assistant superintendents approached me with the Muslim driver in tow. My employee introduced the Muslim driver to me and said the Muslim driver had an urgent matter to discuss with me. The driver requested if I could pay him whatever salary was due him, so he could leave for his hometown. I asked him if there was any problem. He said that he had been threatened that if he did not leave that day, they would shoot him. When I pressed him who made the threat, he revealed that they were drivers who were on the waiting list. I told him this was against company rules, and I would take care of the problem. He said he would just prefer if he got paid and just leave quietly. There was no doubt in his mind, and there was little doubt in my mind, that if these guys made such a threat, they would carry it out. Some of them did not even need a reason to shoot a Muslim, much less if the Muslim was actually taking a job from them. I had been informed that I had in my employ, several notorious “Ilaga” commanders or former “Ilaga” commanders. The “Ilagas” were the para-military Christian commando units that waged wars against the Muslims. By day they were farmers, drivers, mechanics, laborers, etc. At night, they suited up in combat fatigue or dark clothes, took up their weapons and conducted clandestine raids into Muslim villages or murderous attacks against a Muslim individual or family. It was brutal fighting with numerous civilian casualties and usually involved atrocities committed by both sides. As I was figuring out how much was due the driver and actually counting out the money from my wallet, I was profusely and genuinely apologizing to him. He said, “ Please, sir. Do not worry and there is no need to apologize. I know you are a good guy and you run a good company. That is why I wanted to work for you. But I promise you that I will take care of these guys when the construction gets to Matalam.” If I was not afraid operating in a Muslim-controlled town or territory before, now I was. I could only keep my fingers crossed that months from now, he would still be able to remember and distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. Copyright Jay de Leon 2006 Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest