Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:00:18 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #184 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Mo' Teague (Ollie Batts) 2. (The Dojang) Martial Arts in Schools (Michael Atamian) 3. Panantukan (Ollie Batts) 4. Re: Mo' Teague (iPat) 5. Re: martial arts in schools (iPat) 6. martial arts programs in public school (Lawrence, Marc J.) 7. Panantukan (Gilmour, Julian) 8. Re: Tire Dummies (Gabriel rafael) 9. Re: Panantukan (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:35:06 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Mo' Teague Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for adding your thoughts Julian. I was not aware of Mo' having spoken negatively of Guro Inosanto. I do know for a fact that he has actually spoken of him in glowing terms. It does seem however, that to question anything in certain circles nowadays is regarded as sacrosanct. Guru Inosanto is surely not a God, or infallible, is he? I once bought one of his T-shirts which listed a number of different martial arts and combat systems. It informed me that 'Boxing' came from 'America'. I didn't notice it when I bought it, but on a matter of principle I have never worn that shirt. Now I am fairly confident that he didn't design the T-shirt himself. It was probably one of his American students. But at the end of the day the shirt had his name on it, meaning it was endorsed by him, yes? I don't think (although I could be wrong) that Mo' has attempted to come up with a new concept at all. I believe that he wanted to personalise his own particular brand of JKD - which he believes is truly 'Street Functional'. As far as I am aware, Rick Young (an exceptional martial artist) speaks quite highly of Mo'. I know that Richard Bustillo does because he's had him teach at the IMB in America. I believe Mo' has also taught at the Minnesota Kali Group (MKG) for Rick Faye too. At the end of your post you put 'Empty Your Cup'. Wouldn't it be great if people really did that occasionally, instead of adopting a clique-like, sect-like, superiority-of-species-like, mentality? Ask the questions, question the answers. Ollie Batts Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:59:10 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Mo Teague Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all While I expect Mo Teague does have some valuable information to teach, he has been known to talk negatively of other martial artists, including Guro Inosanto, in some of his magazine articles. This may be why he is not on the top of some people's Christmas card list. As for the title of 'Functional JKD'.... Surely "functional" can be interchangeable for "useful" here. "Absorb what is useful" - sounds familiar - Teague doesn't seem to have come up with a new concept at all. Empty your cup Julian --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Atamian" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:00:07 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] (The Dojang) Martial Arts in Schools Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Shane: In my younger years I taught classes in both public and private schools and saw everything good and everything bad about this area of teaching. Contact me direct and I will try to assist you in what appears to be a research thesis. Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:26:29 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Panantukan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for your explanation and reference Mark. Ollie "I was told several years ago that the term Panantukan was created by Lucky Lucaylucay when he was teaching in Stockton. He didn't want to use the term suntukan because it sounded too much like shotokan." Mark Stuber --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:54:57 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mo' Teague Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net a lot of points in there Ollie and again i am not interested in the 'personalisation' so wont comment on the individuals refferred to but will touch on the point you made about Guro Inosanto. Its not that hes exempt from critisism, its when the critisism is misrepresentative or simply ignorant. When people critisise using misinformation then they will be taken to task regardless who the instructor is. For example, the 'JKDC' clan were - not so long ago -accused of only doing something if Guro inosanto tells them to do it and used the example of BJJ. I was able to prove that in fact students of Guro Dan (including Marc denny on this site) and even one of the instructors of the detractor himself had started training almost 6 years prior to Guro Inosanto and introduced him to the art! this 'accusation' was being put out and was clearly wrong and was being used to enforce the marketing of the detractors product. No apologies were given when the sect like members defended the honour of their instructor. Many of the detractors do have axes to grind, and when people who have trained directly under GI respond to the innacuracies they are suddenly called sect like. It could never just be could it that the accusation is wrong? As for the tee shirt, yes you raised it before and in the end the t was withdrawn and probably because of the reason you pointed out. From what i have witnessed GI rarely even notices the tees and is not active in that side of the business - although that may not excuse the issue other than that it was realeased by Inner Circle Enterprise. Were it that GI was saying that in seminars then i'd have to stand by your side, but he doesn't and he doesnt say it in his classes either and his detail to history wouldnt allow him to. However, while i realise you may not sleep through the night because of the injustice of it , what is the profit from focussing over and over on a negative and largely irrelevent point when there is so much positive that could be generated in focussing on the arts that GI has exposed to a wider public and given the oppertunity to others to develop the wealth that is clearly seen on this very forum. Perhaps you might have mentioned the fact that he puts the LaCoste name before the Inosanto name on his tee shirts and presentaion material and the implication there or is that not worthy of consideration? On 6/14/06, Ollie Batts wrote: > > Thanks for adding your thoughts Julian. > > I was not aware of Mo' having spoken negatively of Guro Inosanto. I do > know > for a fact that he has actually spoken of him in glowing terms. It does > seem > however, that to question anything in certain circles nowadays is regarded > as sacrosanct. Guru Inosanto is surely not a God, or infallible, is he? > > > > -- > Pat Davies > www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:58:44 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] martial arts in schools Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi Shane, Im afraid i have no stats to give you but hope that someone here might be able to give you advice. On 6/13/06, shane wrote: > > Hi every one > > I am writing a research paper for a class and am looking for a little > help. I > want to write about martial arts programs in public school whether they > are a > good thing, or bad, and how I can get stats. I am hoping to find out if it > helps prevent kids joining gangs,cuts down on communtiy violence or any > other > pros or cons that may contribute to my paper. Any help you can provide > would > be appreciated > > shane -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:26:33 -0700 From: "Lawrence, Marc J." To: Subject: [Eskrima] martial arts programs in public school Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 7 From: "shane" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] martial arts in schools Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi every one I am writing a research paper for a class and am looking for a little help. I want to write about martial arts programs in public school whether they are a good thing, or bad, and how I can get stats. I am hoping to find out if it helps prevent kids joining gangs,cuts down on community violence or any other pros or cons that may contribute to my paper. Any help you can provide would be appreciated Shane Reply: Shane two my friends have had personal experiences in this subject. My friend Earl when he was kid in the P.I. The PT in the middle school was Eskrima. He had three years while he was there. Today he is a co-owner of business. He strongly believes that the respect, discipline, focus and values made him what he is today. My other friend Greg went to middle School in South Korea were they taught Ta Kwon Do for their PT. He also strong feels that it made positive influence on his life. He has told me that it made a major impact in his life in positive way. Today he is Lawyer and teaches martial arts for free to low income at-risk kids for LACO PARK & REC. I have helped teach classes. Those kids learn; respect, discipline, focus and values. I have seen kids that showed up all ganged out either stay and shape up or wash out. The kids do a lot of pushups like the military as part their discipline. It is yes sir, no sir, military type environment. They practice out side in in all weather except the rain. Marc Lawrence South Bay --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:04:50 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Panantukan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was in a French airport a couple of years ago and got talking to a holidaying couple in the bar. The guy was a Brit and his wife, although I didn't know it initially, was a Filipina. Sport was discussed and eventually my MA came up in conversation. I was asked what kind I did and I said a lot of FMA - the wife was AMAZED when I said "Filipino" (I had not yet asked where she was from). Presumably this has a lot to do with the fact that it wasn't karate or something more commonplace. She didn't train herself but when I said "panantukan", she obviously knew the word very well. And I think her pronunciation was probably a lot better than mine, too ;) The word therefore appears to be known by some over there, although I never found out about her cultural background in any detail. Empty your cup Julian ############################################################################# ######## This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by NetIQ MailMarshal The recipient of this email should ensure that it is virus free. We do not accept any liability for any virus that may be conveyed with this email. ############################################################################# ######## --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:15:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel rafael Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tire Dummies To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Use caution and care when hitting tire dummies. I had seen and experiened plenty of wrist, elbow, and shoulder injuries due to hitting tires. Tires have no "give" so all the shock from hitting goes back to your body. Safety in training. gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Panantukan To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FWIW. Like most topics, there has been a previous thread right here in Eskrima Digest about panantukan. If I remember correctly, Gat Puno Abon and myself put in our dalawang centimos ( 2 cents) worth then. I believe you can research the ED archives if so inclined. Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com "Gilmour, Julian" wrote: I was in a French airport a couple of years ago and got talking to a holidaying couple in the bar. The guy was a Brit and his wife, although I didn't know it initially, was a Filipina. Sport was discussed and eventually my MA came up in conversation. I was asked what kind I did and I said a lot of FMA - the wife was AMAZED when I said "Filipino" (I had not yet asked where she was from). Presumably this has a lot to do with the fact that it wasn't karate or something more commonplace. She didn't train herself but when I said "panantukan", she obviously knew the word very well. And I think her pronunciation was probably a lot better than mine, too ;) The word therefore appears to be known by some over there, although I never found out about her cultural background in any detail. Empty your cup Julian ############################################################################# ######## This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by NetIQ MailMarshal The recipient of this email should ensure that it is virus free. 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