Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #189 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Bloody Wars (iPat) 2. American Boxing (Ollie Batts) 3. Resolved... (Ollie Batts) 4. RE: other topic: world cup (John Johnson) 5. Re: Lucaylucay legacy (DenverAMA@aol.com) 6. Re: short swords?! (Martin Rowe) 7. Terry, can you please post-Thanks, Norris (N & M Domangue) 8. Mindanao Article 9 (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:17:14 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Bloody Wars Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net you can try but Ollie and i wont buy that! Guro Inosanto pulled out a book recently at a camp and the drawings were the same as in the Tao of JKD as drawn by Lee. The drawings came from a US navy instructional book on boxing that was actually done in the philipines and the 'style' was filipino. So Boxing as we know it is influenced by so many cultures that it is impossible to tag. Its strength comes from the diversities brought to the ring by the different cultures. I hear the scots around me moan about everyone refferring to them as english and the canadians probably get miffed at people calling them american as the kiwis get annoyed at being presumed as australian. Its a generalisation and it was wrong and it was corrected as its not repeated. On 6/15/06, Afern27@aol.com wrote: > > To play devil's advocate, maybe the references to boxing and the US just > means that the particular boxing influence in question comes from the > American > style. > > Which IS slightly different than the more upright British/European one. > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:35:17 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] American Boxing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yes, why not. And while we're at it we might as well put Escrima - America too, as against the other version known as: Eskrima - Philippines! Actually, why stop there? We could do a Hollywood of everything and rewrite History entirely! Pugil (aka Ollie Batts) Message: 3 From: Afern27@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:08:48 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Bloody Wars Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To play devil's advocate, maybe the references to boxing and the US just means that the particular boxing influence in question comes from the American style. Which IS slightly different than the more upright British/European one. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:24:18 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Resolved... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Re: Salem's book: you never mentioned it and its not GI's mistake is it? By all means take him to task." You can rest assured, I did (Salem that is)! "Re: F word. Its not your issue and i didnt take you to task but asked a general question and even changed the subject. If you took slight then that was your misinterpretation, not mine. None was intended to you." None taken. "Re Summer Camp: Sounds excellent and proabbly brought more attention to it (humour intended). Seriously - does sound good." It went down very well in 2003. We had the same line-up, apart from it was John Harvey last time rather than Gerhard Schmitt this time around. "Re going: i recently asked for your input which encouraged you back onto this list. So i have no desire to see you leave or be p*ssed off. However, i discussed a simple matter and if you want to interpret that as personal insult then you do so to satisy your own reasons and not mine, because none were intended." Okie dokie. None taken. "Now pick up your toys and put them back in the pram and lets get back to playing (again humour intended)" Half the fun is chucking your toys out of the pram - everyone knows that! Best wishes, Ollie --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] other topic: world cup Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:17:36 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Speaking of soccer/football, the movie my Uncle Pat Johnson worked on as the Fight Choreographer. It's called "Green Street Hooligans", starring Elijah Wood. Expelled unfairly from Harvard, an American undergraduate, Matt Bucker flees to England to his sister's home. Once there, he is befriended by her charming and dangerous brother-in-law, Pete Dunham, and introduced to the underworld of British football hooliganism. Matt learns to 'stand his ground' through a friendship that develops against the backdrop of this secret and often violent world. Peace Out John >From: iPat >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] other topic: world cup >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:12:37 +0100 > > yep a real world cup where there are teams from all over the world >participating ; ) in Germany. i dare say our aussie cousins are still >celebrating their late win yesterday while our US poor relations will be >very quiet since they got beat by the Czech Republic 3 nil (shouldnt have >nicked the name of their beer should ya). >The Brazilians come out to play today! So far the Argentinians have looked >the best imho > >Arndt, who posts here, is working of course as part of the huge police >operation. When i spoke to him recently at a seminar in Speyer, he was >expecting a busy time but so far it seems its a real festive occasion! > >-- >Pat Davies >www.amag.org.uk >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:35:11 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lucaylucay legacy To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you sir, this was a treat to read. Saw a couple discussion threads and had to respond. FMA Q&A's started showing up in my e-mail up about Escrima and I had to add my experiences. Years ago, I trained with Lucky Lucaylucay and his son Guro Ted. I did not know then that they were recognized worldwide for their FMA expertise, but their training has been so influential when I had to use it. Just like those JKD sessions with Guro Inosanto and Bruce Lee, we would workout at the house and the studio, and they would talk about all of their training here, over in Kauai, and even in the PI. Many FMA Grand Masters names were mentioned in their training history, and the stories were always punctuated with technique demonstrations. Someone wrote about Panantukan, and I recall that Uncle Lucky (that's what I called him) telling me about his father teaching him boxing and the many various techniques that he passed on to his family and students. I used to spar with Guro Ted and one of his sisters all the time, and besides the great stickwork, I REALLY remember their great footwork. They were particular about footwork and stickwork. We drilled it all the time. When I would start thinking about "When are we going to hit," we found that avoiding the hit was so much better. We didn't have handpads or helmets or protective gear (and they tried EVERYTHING back then, but that's another story) so we got whacked if our footwork wasn't flawless. I haven't heard anything about a "Chicken Step" in any of the discussions, but we had one. Just writing to share some memories and reflect on their effective training legacy in JKD, Kali/Escrima, Doce pares, Panantukan and other aspects of FMA. ---Jerry Cañeta, Bakersfield, California, USA --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Rowe Subject: Re: [Eskrima] short swords?! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Norm, Some one has already said this but i have had good luck with Kris Cutlery. I have purchased their Daga y Espada set and their Pira. All three knive are thick functional blades that are useable. The only thing I suggest is buying some cotton cord and wrapping the handles. Then putting some polyurithane over the top. This will make it much much less likely to break a wood handle. I live in Colorado and it is really dry here so you have to take good care of the wooden handles and sheaths. You might alos try Mantis swords. My buddy purchased a nice katana from them. TJ norm rayos wrote: Hi all, Maybe I am not looking at the right websites but can someone recommend a site that carries short swords under 30" that are suitable for more finess than big cuts...I have not found anything on the market that is light enough for me, or maybe I must just grow stronger, any input on this would be appreciated... _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima -------------------- 2000 mockingbirds: two kilomockingbirds (work on it....) --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. 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It will contain more revealing chapters such as Sex in the City, more graft and corruption and more violence and assorted mayhem in the city, not fit for publication here. MINDANAO JOTTINGS: THE BUSINESS OF SECURITY Part 1 Next to the logging and construction industry, probably the next largest industry in Cotabato was the security industry. Heavily armed, uniformed security guards were everywhere. Almost every business establishment hired security guards—banks, hotels, schools, large restaurants and nightclubs, and so on. And remember that Cotabato City was already under Philippine Constabulary (PC) control. For example, right next door to Imperial Hotel II, the hotel where I was staying, was a bank, Consolidated Bank. There were always at least four security guards posted at the front entrance—two outside the doors, and two inside the doors who had to unlock and lock the doors every time a customer entered or exited the bank premises. In addition, there were many private and free-lance bodyguards and gunslingers all over the province, called “djangos.” It was not unusual to run into groups of armed men, half of them in army fatigues without any patches, and half of them in civilian clothes, and they would turn out to be a bigwig’s security detail. One time, for example, we befriended the security detail of a Muslim Senator who was staying at the hotel. The head of the detail was a regular Philippine Army captain assigned to the Senator. The rest were either enlisted soldiers or “djangos,” and there was no telling who was which. My company had its forward base camp at a town called Baguer. The camp itself was within a secure area of town, under the protection of the Baguer police department. In addition, Baguer itself was under the protection of a detachment of the regular Philippine Army, encamped probably a couple of miles away. For a long while, my friend Sgt. Bert commanded that detachment. As a final layer of security, my company had its own security force. The decision was made to hire our own security guards, instead of contracting with one of the security agencies. The reason was simply one of economics. Hiring our own security guards cut down the security expenses substantially by more than half. Quite predictably, half of the security force was made up of former military and law enforcement people. The other half was something else. They were all former convicts and inmates of the nearby Davao Penal Colony. When I pressed the construction superintendent about the rationale and the prudence of having such men in our employ, he had a unique point of view. He said that these men would be extremely loyal to a company that hired them, considering their “undesirable” employment status. He also said that there was an extra benefit to hiring them. He reasoned that the criminal elements would have to be extremely stupid or desperate to try breaking into our compound or picking a fight with the company, knowing the company had that kind of security within its compound. Of course I made it a point to talk to all these ex-cons. One of them was named Fred. In my conversations with him, I learned that he was sent to prison for murder, was originally meted a life sentence, but was paroled after 17 years for good behavior, and the fact that the prison was overcrowded. He had prison tattoos all over his body, including a giant flying eagle on his back. In addition to a company-issued firearm, he was armed with a razor-sharp machete slung over his back. Eventually, he was even promoted to “roving” security. Every time extra security was needed, Fred got the assignment. He usually rode in the open cab at the back of the company pick-up, cradling his shotgun. He became a fixture in front of Imperial Hotel II with other body guards, security guards and drivers. Where else but in Cotabato City would you find a recently paroled murderer armed to the teeth in the main streets of the city? It is hard to assess whether his presence actually deterred any violence that was threatened or contemplated against myself and other employees of the company. While I never really got used to the violence and danger all around me, I eventually got used to the security people, just enjoying the human presence and loyal vibes I felt from them. Copyright Jay de Leon 2006 Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest