Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:00:22 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #191 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. training in Tucson (yael) 2. Re: Marquis Of Queensberry & Mindanao Articles (eric.taimanglo@us.army.mil) 3. fire hardening (norm rayos) 4. Boxing (Ollie Batts) 5. RE: Mindanao Article 9 (Michael Macro) 6. Re: Thanks for the Mindanao Articles (jay de leon) 7. Re: Re: Marquis Of Queensberry & Mindanao Articles (jay de leon) 8. John G. Jacobo Seminar in France (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:01:09 -0700 From: yael To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] training in Tucson Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, If anyone reading this is interested in training in knife and stick and a little bit of Silat in Tucson, under a truly amazing instructor, *for free*, please send me an e-mail. Yael --__--__-- Message: 2 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:33:47 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Marquis Of Queensberry & Mindanao Articles Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Like Richard "The Rogue Warrior" Marcinko said, "The Marquis Of Queensberry is a queen, and he's buried." :) Kuya Jay, the Mindanao Articles were very enjoyable to read; Mom dated an officer in the Philippine Air Force Special Operations Wing, and your stories reminded me of a couple of his tales, most notably his experience with what his instructors called "confidence shooting". You ran a prescribed distance with full load and weapon, then your buddy drew straws to see who got to hold two balloons at arms length at 25 meters, which you had to shoot with your rifle. Yikes. Pucker factor? You bet!!! Anyway, Kuya Jay, thanks for the stories. Ingats! --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "norm rayos" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:38:24 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] fire hardening Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone know how to fire harden rattan sticks? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:23:42 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Boxing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Erm yes Peter... Which one were you after? If you are thinking of the one linked to Boxing then you obviously mean John Sholto Douglas - 8th Marquess of Quensberry (1844 - 1900). Please note how 'Marquess of Queensberry' is actually spelt. Don't bother to look in Boxing books either. It's an old-English title and all foreign, and many modern-day English writers almost invariably spell one or both words incorrectly. Glad to see that you only spelt Marquess the French way! ;o) Regarding the Queensberry Rules - published in 1867: It was actually a friend of Sholto Douglas, called John Graham Chambers (1843 - 83), who founded the Amateur Athletic Club in 1866, who drew up this new set of Rules for Boxing soon after. All Sholto Douglas did was sanction them by putting his name and title to them. (Presumably to give them added credibility or something.) At the time when the Queensberry Rules were published, both Sholto Douglas and Chambers were still only in their early twenties. Before the Queensberry Rules: Jack Broughton (1705 - 89) "Father of English Boxing" and a protege Figg (Boxing's first Champion), produced the first set of rules on August 16, 1743. Those rules were eventually replaced by the Pugilistic Association's 'Rules of the London Prize-Ring' in 1838. Those so-called 'New Rules' were later revised in 1853 and again in 1866 - one year ahead of the Queensberry Rules. Pugil "Pardon my input guys, but has anybody heard of the Marquis of Queensberry." Galang, Peter Gow Australia --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Macro" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Mindanao Article 9 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:07:50 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Jay, Hi there, I was wondering I when you would be putting my article (Torqueblade) in your magazine. I hope you have a good time in the homeland. Regards Mike Macro > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:27:51 -0700> From: jakkdawg@yahoo.com> To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Subject: [Eskrima] Mindanao Article 9> > This will be my last article posted on Mindanao. I have to get ready for my trip to the Philippines, and then I will be gone for more than a month. If you want to read more, you will have to buy my book when it comes out. It will contain more revealing chapters such as Sex in the City, more graft and corruption and more violence and assorted mayhem in the city, not fit for publication here.> > > MINDANAO JOTTINGS: THE BUSINESS OF SECURITY Part 1> > > Next to the logging and construction industry, probably the next largest industry in Cotabato was the security industry.> > Heavily armed, uniformed security guards were everywhere. Almost every business establishment hired security guards—banks, hotels, schools, large restaurants and nightclubs, and so on. And remember that Cotabato City was already under Philippine Constabulary (PC) control.> > For example, right next door to Imperial Hotel II, the hotel where I was staying, was a bank, Consolidated Bank. There were always at least four security guards posted at the front entrance—two outside the doors, and two inside the doors who had to unlock and lock the doors every time a customer entered or exited the bank premises.> > In addition, there were many private and free-lance bodyguards and gunslingers all over the province, called “djangos.” It was not unusual to run into groups of armed men, half of them in army fatigues without any patches, and half of them in civilian clothes, and they would turn out to be a bigwig’s security detail. > > One time, for example, we befriended the security detail of a Muslim Senator who was staying at the hotel. The head of the detail was a regular Philippine Army captain assigned to the Senator. The rest were either enlisted soldiers or “djangos,” and there was no telling who was which.> > My company had its forward base camp at a town called Baguer. The camp itself was within a secure area of town, under the protection of the Baguer police department. In addition, Baguer itself was under the protection of a detachment of the regular Philippine Army, encamped probably a couple of miles away. For a long while, my friend Sgt. Bert commanded that detachment.> > As a final layer of security, my company had its own security force. The decision was made to hire our own security guards, instead of contracting with one of the security agencies. The reason was simply one of economics. Hiring our own security guards cut down the security expenses substantially by more than half.> > Quite predictably, half of the security force was made up of former military and law enforcement people. The other half was something else. They were all former convicts and inmates of the nearby Davao Penal Colony. When I pressed the construction superintendent about the rationale and the prudence of having such men in our employ, he had a unique point of view.> > He said that these men would be extremely loyal to a company that hired them, considering their “undesirable” employment status. He also said that there was an extra benefit to hiring them. He reasoned that the criminal elements would have to be extremely stupid or desperate to try breaking into our compound or picking a fight with the company, knowing the company had that kind of security within its compound.> > Of course I made it a point to talk to all these ex-cons. One of them was named Fred. In my conversations with him, I learned that he was sent to prison for murder, was originally meted a life sentence, but was paroled after 17 years for good behavior, and the fact that the prison was overcrowded. He had prison tattoos all over his body, including a giant flying eagle on his back. In addition to a company-issued firearm, he was armed with a razor-sharp machete slung over his back.> > Eventually, he was even promoted to “roving” security. Every time extra security was needed, Fred got the assignment. He usually rode in the open cab at the back of the company pick-up, cradling his shotgun. He became a fixture in front of Imperial Hotel II with other body guards, security guards and drivers. Where else but in Cotabato City would you find a recently paroled murderer armed to the teeth in the main streets of the city?> > It is hard to assess whether his presence actually deterred any violence that was threatened or contemplated against myself and other employees of the company. While I never really got used to the violence and danger all around me, I eventually got used to the security people, just enjoying the human presence and loyal vibes I felt from them.> > > Copyright Jay de Leon 2006> > Jay de Leon> www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com> _______________________________________________> Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Thanks for the Mindanao Articles To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Tocayo (namesake): Thanks for the kind words. If you missed any of the articles or you want to reread them, they are posted at http://www.philippinereporter.blogspot.com. I will be posting about the FMA Festival, grandmasters in attendance and related matters including the usual travelogue when I get back. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com "dvljr1@hawaiiantel.net" wrote: Mr. de Leon, Ever since you started posting your articles, I was intrigued by them. I always looked forward to the next installment. Thanks for the good reads and let us know when the book will be out. I will be in line to buy one. (A signed copy would even be better). Anyway, thanks again and good luck on the book! Salamat, Jay (another one) _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Marquis Of Queensberry & Mindanao Articles To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Eric: Glad you enjoyed the articles. Yes, I personally experienced a lot of that factor when I was in Cotabato. I am sure you will have your own military tales to tell in the future. Ingat ka rin diyan, Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com. eric.taimanglo@us.army.mil wrote: Like Richard "The Rogue Warrior" Marcinko said, "The Marquis Of Queensberry is a queen, and he's buried." :) Kuya Jay, the Mindanao Articles were very enjoyable to read; Mom dated an officer in the Philippine Air Force Special Operations Wing, and your stories reminded me of a couple of his tales, most notably his experience with what his instructors called "confidence shooting". You ran a prescribed distance with full load and weapon, then your buddy drew straws to see who got to hold two balloons at arms length at 25 meters, which you had to shoot with your rifle. Yikes. Pucker factor? You bet!!! Anyway, Kuya Jay, thanks for the stories. Ingats! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] John G. Jacobo Seminar in France Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would like to invite you all to Tipunan International and Bakbakan International Guro John G. Jacobo's Seminar in France. Thank you, Jay de Leon Progressive Combat Systems Association presents: Kali Ilustrismo with Guro John G. Jacobo of Bakbakan International Experience the combat tested principles & strategies of revered GM Antonio "Tatang" Ilustrisimo by one of the contemporary instructors personally taught by Masters Christopher Ricketts & Reynaldo Galang. Designated as the East Coast Representative for Kali Ilustrisimo, Guro John has been involved with martial arts for well over 20 years and has devoted the past 15 years to FMA. His always aggressive, no nonsense approach to combat application will surely hone your skills and strengthen your mindset! Saturday August 26th -Defondo (Anchoring) -Disarming -Footwork (Tatlong Bao, Retirada & Lutang) -Basic Striking Styles (Bagsak, Ikis, DeKadena & "V") -Long Range Application of Ikis -Application of SERIES footwork Sunday August 27th -Application of Estrella, Medya Fraile, Classico, Pluma Sungkit and Paupo -Introduction to Cuatro Cantos -Introduction to Tulisan Knife Methods (Lagusan, Tulay, Colimpio, Doble Carera) August 26th and 27th 2006 Salle Multiactivité Rue de L'Eglise Capinghem (closed to Lille, North of France) Contact: Roger and Stephanie Galienne: 0033(0) 660 966 407 Email: pcsa@numericable.fr For further details visit: www.marsfrance.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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