Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:00:05 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #195 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Bareknuckle Boxing (Gilmour, Julian) 2. What Men Read (Bill McGrath) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:31:24 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Bareknuckle Boxing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Organised bareknuckle boxing still goes on in Britain and no doubt many other places in some small capacity. I have just read "King of the Gypsies", the autobiography of Bartley Gorman - 'The undefeated bareknuckle fighter of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales'. He passed away in (I think) 2003. Loads of accounts of gypsy bareknuckle bouts, both pre-arranged prize fights and pub brawls. I found it a fascinating insight into a hidden culture, although there is no doubt a lot of embelishment. I also have an hour or two of footage of gypsy men fighting, filmed with camcorders. A lot more rules than I expected to see - they are always separated from the clinch and if anyone falls over, they are given the time to get 'up to scratch'. I also have footage of an elderly Bartley hitting a heavy bag. Very powerful-looking and lots of straight line stuff - I think hooks are uncommon if no hand protection is worn, so as to protect from wrist injury. I expect panatukan would work fine, although in the footage I saw, any headbutts resulted in a bit of a 'telling off'. Empty your cup Julian ############################################################################# ######## This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by NetIQ MailMarshal The recipient of this email should ensure that it is virus free. We do not accept any liability for any virus that may be conveyed with this email. ############################################################################# ######## --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill McGrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] What Men Read Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Guys, A (very tangentially) martial arts related request. I get the online version of Writers Digest magazine. In the last issue there was an article entitled "Do Men Read" the basic premise of which was that since only 20% of novels are read by men, the other 80% of men must be knuckle dragging Neanderthals. I would like to write an article in response called "What Men Read." Since I happen to know we have a good number of very well-read men on this list, I thought I would ask you guys to give me a list of your favorite works of fiction. Please include your age, the book author's name, book title and category (martial arts, historical fiction, military, sci-fi, horror, etc). Here is the Writers Digest article: http://www.writersdigest.com/articles/schneider_read.asp Below is my email letter to the editor. As I said, I would like to expand this into an article (You should read their article first before reading my response). Now how is this martial arts related? I am writing a fantasy novel, aimed at a male audience, in which I use Pekiti-Tirsia based techniques for my fight scenes. Your response will help me understand my market better and (hopefully) produce a better book. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Do Men Read? Hey WD, how about a breakdown of books whose readership is majority male? I can't believe Tom Clancy is the only one out there. How about Vince Flynn, Clive Cussler or Steven Pressfield. And how about all those "hard" sci-fi novels. Guys like learning about "stuff". Both Clancy and hard sci-fi tend to be about "stuff" rather than about characters exploring how they feel. *Note to would be male-targeting authors. Guys already know how we feel. What we want is to know how to get from point A to point B and achieve our goals (and if a cool tool helps us achieve those goals more quickly and efficiently, so much the better). Tell me who were the big male-read authors of the past? Edgar Rice Borrows, Robert E. Howard, Louis L'Amour, Ian Flemming, etc. Tell me what they had in common. Don't just guess, break their work down and tell me. Oh and that 20% male readership figure for fiction is a relatively new phenomenon and not ruled by genetics. Prior to the mid 1970's, the percentage of male readership of fiction was much higher. A conscious decision was made in the publishing industry to expand female readership with novels that targeted a women's tastes. Now the declining male readership that book publishers expect has become a self fulfilling prophesy (see Richard Curtis' books on the publishing industry). Instead of that bit of fluff that appeared in the Digest of 6-13-06, (http://www.writersdigest.com/articles/schneider_read.asp) we should have had a piece of red meat like this: http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,1747927,00.html or at least this: http://screen-novel.blogspot.com/2006_02_01_screen-novel_archive.html (scroll down to: "It's a man's world but a woman's house"). Come on people, if you want to get men reading, then you have to give them meat not mush. Regards, William R. 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