Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:59:31 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #212 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Rapido Realisimo Eskrima (isagani abon) 2. RE: Short Sword and Machete Use. (Ken Borowiec) 3. Sayoc Kali (Steven Lefebvre) 4. Re: list back up (Michael Gallagher) 5. Comments (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 6. New Member (Patrick Pace) 7. Ilustrisimo Seminar (James Thornton) 8. Re: Comments (Ray) 9. Powe rpunching (Michael Koblic) 10. Electricity etc. (Michael Koblic) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: isagani abon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Rapido Realisimo Eskrima To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Guro James,] Henry Espera, Punong Guro and Founderof Rapido Realismo Kali is a former student of GM Ilustrisimo and most of our medio and corto moves comes from the Kalis Ilustrisimo and still being with the Kalis Ilustrisimo group in luneta untill now we have a close realtionship with the group. He is also the student of GM Andrew Abrian founder of Orabes Henral Escrima one of great Arnisador here, he was been feature in Mark Wiley's book (assisted by PG Espera. comparison, we dont like those words definitely a bit the same with our movements but differ in some concept and principles with additional moves from Orabes Heneral Eskrima and Automatic Arnis of GM Juan from quiapo a Muslim. Anyway thanks for asking. Gumagalang, Guro Isagani Abon http://www.angelfire.com/art2/rapisorealismo James Thornton wrote: Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone knows anything about Rapido Realisimo Eskrima?Is it a very good system? And how does it compare to the Ilustrisimo System? Guru James Thornton --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Short Sword and Machete Use. Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:27:11 -0400 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ken, My answer is that the machete is used for cutting, slashing, hacking and stabbing. The use of the weapon would depend on the proximity you are to the attacker and whatever comes out at the time. The primary use of the weapon is cutting, slashing - Eg: through the jungle or in the cane fields. Galang, Peter Gow Australia Got it. So if training with Eskrima the best blade to replace it with would be the machete? Due to its shorter range and versatility it can replace the stick with least amount of changes to the motion of attacks used by the stick? Ken --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:20:03 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Sayoc Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Gester, As Joe pointed out the # 3 of 9 VT is just one of 9 templates in that particular series. If you have any questions about Sayoc Kali please feel free to drop me a line at anytime. For those who are interested I also posted a review of the Sama Sama event that went on last weekend. You can check it out at the Sayoc or my website. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. Ps: All Blade, you still crack me up! www.Sayoc.com www.Bujinkandojo.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:33:59 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] list back up Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 01:44 PM 7/8/2006, you wrote: >I've returned from Hawaii, the Big Island. A good time was had by all. > >The list is back up and running again. Welcome back! >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:55:06 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Comments Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Amazing that you allow this. Change Sayoc to Inay and see if it reads as well. > > From: "All Blade" > Sayoc training that came from Bo Sayoc? > Guro Blade recommends for you to save your hard earned dollars and learn > real Arnis. > Guro Blade > Always cuts deep --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:31:47 -0700 From: Patrick Pace To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] New Member Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Everyone, Just wanted to drop a quick line and introduce myself to everyone. My name is Patrick Pace and i am an ex pat English guy living in Burbank, CA...Just started training at the Magda Institute under Guro Cass Magda, and loving every minute of it. I have trained in martial arts before attaining black belts in American Kenpo, Kickboxing, Japanese Karate and Certified instructor in Muay Thai....however I have fallen in love with Kali/JKD and Silat.... I can honestly say I can see myself studying Kali for the rest of my life... Anyways...thats the end of my broadcast...LOL...I am looking forward to exploring Kali and learning from this group. Thanks Patrick Pace --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:37:47 -0700 (PDT) From: James Thornton To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ilustrisimo Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you,for clearing Shamim`s Rank up for me?I hope that I haven`t affended anyone regarding this?I guess in my eyes he`s a Master and I respect for him alot, and he`s opened my eyes to alot of thing`s im only small potatoes in this game,and I only wanna help in keeping GrandMaster Tatang System alive and Im hoping to work with more Eskrimadores with great talent in the future. James Thornton --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Comments To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Amazing that you allow this. Change Sayoc to Inay and see if it reads as > well. This got thru also... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:45:49 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Powe rpunching Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc MacYoung wrote: "Right, the thing is that there are some differences between a hit and a drive. A driving force is more of a propelling action where the action -- by going through the item -- pushes it in the direction you want it to go. Whereas an impact, goes in and then retracts, thereby delivering force into the item. This is why when you are working the heavy bag correctly -- even though there will be some lateral movement -- it jumps more instead of swings. Okay, I'm going to use another analogy so let's not get too technical, but think of the difference of motion between swinging a baseball/cricket bat vs. cracking a whip. Both are delivering force, but through different mechanics" Oh, but *technical* is where it's at :-) Perhaps one should define what "punching power" means. If power is generally defined as a capacity to do work, what kind of "work" do we want the punch to do? Do we want the target knocked over? Do we want to produce unconsciousness by imparting acceleration/deceleration force to his brain? Or do we want to produce tissue damage? I contend that all three might require different type of punch. I doubt one will have a difficulty producing a concussion with a baseball bat but tissue damage is likely to result only if soft tissue is interposed between the bat and an underlying bone structure. On the other hand, I have never heard of anyone knocked out with a whip (do correct me if I have it wrong!) but tissue damage is common mainly due to the velocity of the whip tip and the small surface area which the resultant force is applied to. I can kick an empty Coke can about 20 yards, give or take (do not hold me to it, it is years since I tried it) but the can will be barely dented. If I shoot it with a 9mm from 20 yards it will not move an inch but will have nice round holes right through it. The only instance I know of when people tried to quantify the power of a punch (again, there may be others I do not know about) was in 1985 when some physiologists in England used Frank Bruno for that purpose. Sadly, I do not remember the details of the physics, not even the units they measured the power in. All they found what many opponents already knew through first-hand experience i.e. that Frank Bruno could punch - very hard. Their results were incidentally published in the Christmas issue of the British Medical Journal, not being considered serious enough for their regular issue. The authors unfortunately had no interest or funding to expand the study to other individuals thus the opportunity to learn about different weights, body habiti, pound for pound performance and others were lost. One other point: you stress retraction as an important factor in delivering power, both above and in your book. I cannot see how retraction can contribute in any way to power delivery. Retraction will occur naturally after a fast punch due to the human tissue elasticity more so than after a slow punch. The whip retracts for the similar reason. If anything, I will argue that conscious retraction is likely to impede forward progress of the weapon (fist, whip tip etc.) and reduce any power delivered. The power delivery is optimized if there is a follow-through, not retraction. The JKD power-punch (as taught by Guro Jesse Glover) is all about that. It is actually interesting to watch while holding the focus pads for someone, how the power leaks if the punch is terminated prematurely. Another is a subtle change in direction just before impact, but that is a whole other subject. Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Electricity etc. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Peter Gow wrote: "You cannot compare static electricity which you build up as you walk along the carpet with DC electricity or AC electricity for that matter they are all different. Although the electricity that passes from one sanapsis(?) connection to the next sanapsis connection in your brain is electricity." 1) Sorry, but electricity is electricity, however generated. It is about electrons travelling from A to B. What electricity can do is dependent on the mode of generation. 2) No electricity passes across the neuronal synapse. Neurotransmitters such a acetylcholine, dopamine, GABA and others pass across the synapse to induce or inhibit depolarization in the neuronal axon and thus passages of neural impulses which are dependent on movements of ions in and out of the nerve cell. That certainly involves electrical changes and would be loosely covered by the term "electricity". A great little book on the topic (although to some extent now dated) is "Nerve, muscle and synapse" by Sir Bernard Katz who got his Nobel prize for the work on this stuff. May be hard to find though... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest