Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:35:19 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #213 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Power punching (iPat) 2. Technically speaking (Marc MacYoung) 3. Training in Portland Oregon (Karol Krauser) 4. Short Sword and Machete Use (Ricardo Kayanan) 5. Re: Training in Portland Oregon (nouveau3@comcast.net) 6. Stick fighting champion Postman (Eskrima-FMA) 7. Re: Short Sword and Machete Use (Czar Peralta) 8. Re: Stick fighting champion Postman (Daniel Arola) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:42:24 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Power punching Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net thai kick v karate kick..... On 7/2/06, Marc MacYoung wrote: > > Okay, I'm going to use another analogy so let's not get too technical, but > think of the difference of motion between swinging a baseball/cricket bat > vs. cracking a whip. Both are delivering force, but through different > mechanics > > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:19:18 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Technically speaking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I said > Okay, I'm going to use another analogy so let's not get too technical, but > think of the difference of motion between swinging a baseball/cricket bat > vs. cracking a whip. Both are delivering force, but through different > mechanics" > Mike replied > Oh, but *technical* is where it's at :-) Actually, I know you said this in jest, but there is an issue that I routinely address. A number of years ago a "friend" in silat slid one in on me. He said that a line out of Mask of Zorro described me to a "T." Antonio Bandaras is wildly swinging a sword around and Anthony Hopkins asks: Do you know how to use that thing? Bandaras replies "Yes, you put the pointy end into the other guy" Hopkins sighs and says "I see we have a lot of work to do" Okay, the guy meant it as a subtle insult about my lack of skill in the < begin celestial chorus> art of silat . Which hey, fair enough, I'm not that proficient in the "art," never have been, never will be. However, a few years later some players had seriously insulted me. Now technically speaking these guys were far better at their art than I was. But they had enraged me to the point of a black rage (a cold draconian and murderous fury). Thing was, facing someone who was not only more than happy to kill them on the spot, but die doing it ... they decided that when it really came down to it they weren't willing to stake their lives on exactly how deadly and effective that art really was. Instead of drawing on their "warrior art" they wisely drew on Miss Manners and apologized for their misconduct. >From these two events something clarified in my thinking. Something that I had long sensed but could never quite put my finger on. And that is Bandaras' comment is that of either a total amateur or a master. In both cases, the person's goal is to put the pointy end into the other guy. And that is what he is going to do... come hell or high water. The "art" just helps you do it better and more effectively. In my life I have seen the terrible effectiveness of someone who remembers the pointy end issue. I also have seen countless examples of people who get so hung up in the details and technicalities of an art/system/drill that they forget this rock bottom goal. And in doing so, they leave themselves wide open to someone whose only goal is to put the pointy end where it belongs. As those two so perfectly exemplified, a lot of people mistake both focusing on, and possessing, the technical components for having what it takes to do it. The art/system/drill is a means to achieve a goal, it isn't the goal itself. As I said, both of those guys were, technically speaking, far superior martial artists to me, but when confronted with someone more concerned with inserting the pointy end they realized that technical details alone weren't enough to save them. Technical details ARE important. But don't get so caught up in technicalities that you fail to achieve the goal. It's something you see in the martial arts and in the business world ALL the time, someone gets so wrapped up in the technical details that they lose sight of the goal. With this in mind take a new look at what the purpose and value of drills are and see if they are actually interfering with -- instead of helping you achieve -- your goals. M --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Karol Krauser To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Training in Portland Oregon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Im going to be visiting Portland from Hawaii in Mid August and just wanted to find some places to train. I use to live there several years back an would appreciate it if anyone could point me in the right direction. Mahalo, Karol Krauser --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ricardo Kayanan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:29:23 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Short Sword and Machete Use Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ken, In a lot of FMA systems the stick is considered the training tool for the bolo as well as being used as an impact weapon. Since the biomechanics of using the blade and stick differ (as well as targeting and tactics) I like to train with Aluminum trainers. Or at least use a training tool that has a resemblance to a blade. This promotes better edge awareness when drilling. For sparring drills we might use rattan or a soft like stick. To improve my cutting I use a live blade. Gumagalang Ricardo Kayanan  >>Got it. So if training with Eskrima the best blade to replace it with would be the machete? Due to its shorter range and versatility it can replace the stick with least amount of changes to the motion of attacks used by the stick? Ken<< --__--__-- Message: 5 From: nouveau3@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: shugyo66@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Training in Portland Oregon Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:51:32 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Karol, Shawn Keren here, remember me? (side kick) Make sure that you go out and see Guro John Daniels while you're in town. here's his web address http://www.danielscombativearts.com/ . Give me a holler when you're in town, maybe we can get together for dinner or something. Shawn -------------- Original message -------------- From: Karol Krauser > Im going to be visiting Portland from Hawaii in Mid August and just wanted to > find some places to train. I use to live there several years back an would > appreciate it if anyone could point me in the right direction. > > Mahalo, > Karol Krauser > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ > countries) for 2¢/min or less. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:14:43 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stick fighting champion Postman Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Stick fighting champion Postman rises rapidly in 15 months By MITCH McLAUGHLIN/Democrat Sports Writer Woodland, CA In the summer 2008, most of the world will be focusing on the Summer Olympics in Beijing, but for Woodland's Ernie Gonzales it will be his first chance at defending his own world championship. Gonzales, 47, a resident of Woodland for 20 years, won two gold medals at the World Stick Fighting Championships last week in Orlando, Fla., an event that is held every two years. Gonzales, an employee at the Woodland Post Office, has been surprised by his rapid rise in a mere 15 months in the martial art. "I have to go there in 2008 and defend it," Gonzales said. "I'm very excited with how it (stick fighting) has gone for me so far and hopefully I can only improve. I'm starting to understand it more. "I've never done anything regarding competition before this, so all of this is a new experience to me. I was always just an average athlete and never been on any kind of team. I'm still trying to digest that I was able to represent my country for this team and that I will always be a world champion." The 2008 championships will be held in Cebu, Philippines, where the art originated. Eskrima, which is it's more popular name, involves the use of a single stick, two sticks, a long and a short stick, as it's weapons. Gonzales won gold in both the single and double stick events in the lightweight, 40-49 year-old division, which attracted four competitors. He beat fellow American Steven Han in the single stick championship. "I'm really fortunate to have found instructor (Mike) Turk and he's been a great influence on me," Gonzales said. "I hadn't even planned on going to the regionals but then that went so well I had to try out the nationals." He started Eskrima after short stints with other forms of martial arts (Wing Chun and Kuk Sool Wan) but decided that he liked Eskrima the best. "The others are a little bit more traditional but my interest isn't in the traditional arts," Gonzales said. "Everything about Eskrima just attracted to me a lot more than the others. The Filipino forms are almost like dancing. It's real different type of martial art." One of the things that was really attractive to Gonzales was the amount of contact that is involved in practice and sparring. "Even with the gear, you can get hit pretty hard but even after you are done whacking someone, you know you can be their friend afterward," he said. "Turk hits me pretty hard when we are sparring, and since he's such a big guy, I go into tournaments knowing that I probably won't get hit that hard." After qualifying at the nationals in Milwaukee, he almost wasn't able to make the trip to Orlando for the worlds. He needed a week off at the post office and many people had reserved that week already. He was able to get the time though and make some history. "When I got into it, my daughter hated it because she didn't want to see her dad getting hit," Gonzales said. "After I won and when I came back and saw her at the airport, she saw me with my medals and was so excited. That was best part of this whole thing." It has been a pleasant surprise for him and Turk, with how he's been so successful in the art so quickly. "It is very rare for someone to be able to pick it up like this," Turk said. "I've never heard or seen anyone who's been able to do it. I like to think that he's had good instruction which has helped him to do so." Turk picked up Eskrima in 1997 after having a martial arts background in Taekwondo. He moved to Woodland in January 2005 and, shortly after, he began instructing Gonzales. Turk too is a world champion as he won the gold in both 2004 and 2006 in the heavyweight, 40-49 year-old division in the single stick, as well as gold in '04 in double stick. "Seeing the student win the gold is a lot more rewarding than the medals that I won," Turk said. "One of the things with martial arts is it teaches you a lot about yourself and I've definitely noticed changes with Ernie since we started working together. "He was very apprehensive at first and now this has given a lot of confidence. A year ago he never would've thought he would become a world champ." The World Stick Fighting Championships started in 1988 and alternate every two years between the Philippines and other countries around the world. This year's competition only involved seven countries (Italy, Germany, Australia, Great Britain, Philippines, Canada and USA), but 30 are expected for 2008. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:37:38 -0700 From: "Czar Peralta" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Short Sword and Machete Use Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Do you know of anywhere that I can purchase a training bolo from? I was just talking with a friend about this the other day. Of course we don't want to train with live blades (not that hardcore) so I was wondering if there are any websites that anyone might know of; or any shops in the Seattle, Washington area. Thanks, Czar On 7/11/06, Ricardo Kayanan wrote: > > Ken, > In a lot of FMA systems the stick is considered the training tool for the > bolo as well as being used as an impact weapon. Since the biomechanics of > using the blade and stickdiffer (as well as targeting and tactics)I > like to train with Aluminum trainers. Or at least use a training tool > that has a resemblance to a blade. This promotes better edge awareness > when drilling. For sparring drills we might use rattan or a soft like > stick. To improve my cutting I use a live blade. > > Gumagalang > Ricardo Kayanan > > >>Got it. So if training with Eskrima the best blade to replace it with > would be > the machete? Due to its shorter range and versatility it can replace the > stick > with least amount of changes to the motion of attacks used by the stick? > > Ken<< > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stick fighting champion Postman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ROCK ON for the postman! That's great to hear! Daniel Arola DAMAG-INC Fayetteville, NC Eskrima-FMA wrote: Stick fighting champion Postman rises rapidly in 15 months By MITCH McLAUGHLIN/Democrat Sports Writer Woodland, CA In the summer 2008, most of the world will be focusing on the Summer Olympics in Beijing, but for Woodland's Ernie Gonzales it will be his first chance at defending his own world championship. Gonzales, 47, a resident of Woodland for 20 years, won two gold medals at the World Stick Fighting Championships last week in Orlando, Fla., an event that is held every two years. Gonzales, an employee at the Woodland Post Office, has been surprised by his rapid rise in a mere 15 months in the martial art. "I have to go there in 2008 and defend it," Gonzales said. "I'm very excited with how it (stick fighting) has gone for me so far and hopefully I can only improve. I'm starting to understand it more. "I've never done anything regarding competition before this, so all of this is a new experience to me. I was always just an average athlete and never been on any kind of team. I'm still trying to digest that I was able to represent my country for this team and that I will always be a world champion." The 2008 championships will be held in Cebu, Philippines, where the art originated. Eskrima, which is it's more popular name, involves the use of a single stick, two sticks, a long and a short stick, as it's weapons. Gonzales won gold in both the single and double stick events in the lightweight, 40-49 year-old division, which attracted four competitors. He beat fellow American Steven Han in the single stick championship. "I'm really fortunate to have found instructor (Mike) Turk and he's been a great influence on me," Gonzales said. "I hadn't even planned on going to the regionals but then that went so well I had to try out the nationals." He started Eskrima after short stints with other forms of martial arts (Wing Chun and Kuk Sool Wan) but decided that he liked Eskrima the best. "The others are a little bit more traditional but my interest isn't in the traditional arts," Gonzales said. "Everything about Eskrima just attracted to me a lot more than the others. The Filipino forms are almost like dancing. It's real different type of martial art." One of the things that was really attractive to Gonzales was the amount of contact that is involved in practice and sparring. "Even with the gear, you can get hit pretty hard but even after you are done whacking someone, you know you can be their friend afterward," he said. "Turk hits me pretty hard when we are sparring, and since he's such a big guy, I go into tournaments knowing that I probably won't get hit that hard." After qualifying at the nationals in Milwaukee, he almost wasn't able to make the trip to Orlando for the worlds. He needed a week off at the post office and many people had reserved that week already. He was able to get the time though and make some history. "When I got into it, my daughter hated it because she didn't want to see her dad getting hit," Gonzales said. "After I won and when I came back and saw her at the airport, she saw me with my medals and was so excited. That was best part of this whole thing." It has been a pleasant surprise for him and Turk, with how he's been so successful in the art so quickly. "It is very rare for someone to be able to pick it up like this," Turk said. "I've never heard or seen anyone who's been able to do it. I like to think that he's had good instruction which has helped him to do so." Turk picked up Eskrima in 1997 after having a martial arts background in Taekwondo. He moved to Woodland in January 2005 and, shortly after, he began instructing Gonzales. Turk too is a world champion as he won the gold in both 2004 and 2006 in the heavyweight, 40-49 year-old division in the single stick, as well as gold in '04 in double stick. "Seeing the student win the gold is a lot more rewarding than the medals that I won," Turk said. "One of the things with martial arts is it teaches you a lot about yourself and I've definitely noticed changes with Ernie since we started working together. "He was very apprehensive at first and now this has given a lot of confidence. A year ago he never would've thought he would become a world champ." The World Stick Fighting Championships started in 1988 and alternate every two years between the Philippines and other countries around the world. This year's competition only involved seven countries (Italy, Germany, Australia, Great Britain, Philippines, Canada and USA), but 30 are expected for 2008. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest