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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: knife defense (Magtutudlo) 2. RE: Re: knife defense (John Johnson) 3. video clip (rob mulligan) 4. Re: knife defense (Magtutudlo) 5. Re: Re: knife defense (Ray) 6. Re: video clip: knife defense (Ray) 7. RE: Re: knife defense (Joseph Marana) 8. Blowguns (buz_ed_alias@mac.com) 9. RE: video clip: knife defense (Jonathan Kessler) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Magtutudlo" To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:17:17 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Though there are some valid drills that are displayed... like kicking the knife but all that I see on that clip is for testing purposes. My only argument on the video is that I hope the "creativity" aspect of the defender doesn't go over the head of the practitioner. Just my thoughs. Peace, Bobby Indas Balintawak - HK --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:31:46 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So you feel that it is an okay idea to kick a knife from an attackers hand? I've always been told that is a bad policy. Let alone the fact that a knife attack will not be telegraphed in the way that it was in the video clip, unless of course it is a duel, in which case I ask the first question again. Peace Out John >From: "Magtutudlo" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:17:17 -0400 > >Though there are some valid drills that are displayed... like kicking the >knife but all that I see on that clip is for testing purposes. My only >argument on the video is that I hope the "creativity" aspect of the >defender doesn't go over the head of the practitioner. Just my thoughs. > >Peace, > >Bobby Indas >Balintawak - HK _______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] video clip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The sad part is, somewhere deep down inside she actually believes that she can defend herself against an armed and committed attacker.  That is completely irresponsible on the part of the instructor; he’s handing her a toy gun and telling her she’s ready for war. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.   Rob Mulligan KWIKSTIK.COM                         --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Magtutudlo" To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:00:46 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sure, Why not? My point is on largo distance... why would I wait for a knife to slice or stab my body while I can by any chance disarm by kicking it. Sounds theoritical, but there is a big chance of saving myself. Now, if the attacker has knowledge about knife, that's a different story... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So you feel that it is an okay idea to kick a knife from an attackers hand? I've always been told that is a bad policy. Let alone the fact that a knife attack will not be telegraphed in the way that it was in the video clip, unless of course it is a duel, in which case I ask the first question again. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > So you feel that it is an okay idea to kick a knife from an attackers hand? > I've always been told that is a bad policy. Agreed. Very bad policy. The only time I would even think of trying that is if my hands were otherwise occupied, e.g. tied behind me or perhaps holding onto another attacker's weapon and I had nothing else to use to attempt to block the incoming knife attack. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] video clip: knife defense To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I have heard of this teaching method. It uses the idea that when > adrenaline is pumping our motions get shorter and faster. So by being > taught exaggerated strikes the student will make normal motions when in > a real life situation. Actually, I suspect the reverse is more likely. Teach less exaggerated motion in class knowing that under pressure and stress they will become faster, more powerful and more extended. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:38:57 -0700 From: "Joseph Marana" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think it can be dangerous to limit our options to blanket rules (never kick a weapon, never kick to the head, never turn your back/attempt spinning flying kicks, etc.). What would not be some of our first options may very well have a time and place. What if an individual with no arms is defending against someone holding a knife in a prosthetic hand? What if in an instant, the opportunity opens up for a good teep (sp?) to a knife in hand? What if we are holding a baby and the attacker lunges in with his empty hand to choke or grab and we see his/her weapon up and chambered by his shoulder? Should we not take these openings because they violate common scenarios? I'm not saying necessarily that anything is possible at anytime. I am also not saying we should train for every single eventuality possible (we probably couldn't, even if we tried). What I am saying is despite our own tactical preferences on how to respond to situations, we can't knock something just because we don't prefer it. I think its great to have these kinds of debates, and disagree when someone tries to tell us or anyone else that their "kick to the hand method" is the only way, but I also think it is important to keep an open mind and not be dualistic in our critiques. Joe -----Original Message----- From: John Johnson [mailto:chosen1j@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 12:32 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense So you feel that it is an okay idea to kick a knife from an attackers hand? I've always been told that is a bad policy. Let alone the fact that a knife attack will not be telegraphed in the way that it was in the video clip, unless of course it is a duel, in which case I ask the first question again. Peace Out John >From: "Magtutudlo" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:17:17 -0400 > >Though there are some valid drills that are displayed... like kicking the >knife but all that I see on that clip is for testing purposes. My only >argument on the video is that I hope the "creativity" aspect of the >defender doesn't go over the head of the practitioner. Just my thoughs. > >Peace, > >Bobby Indas >Balintawak - HK _______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:00:06 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Blowguns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've never encountered blowguns in an FMA context, but I picked up one of Cold Steel's .625 blowgun a couple weeks back and have been having so much fun with it I figured I'd mention it to the list. I started messing with blowguns back when I was a kid. My friends and I were all WW II buffs and built massive numbers of 1/32 scale model WW II armor. With all those plastic tanks laying around we began doing scale model reenactments of tank battles, shooting rubber bands at each other's armor while storming the beach at Anzio, meeting Rommel at Tobruk, kicking Nazi booty at Kursk et al. Arguments would arise about wether a tank got hit, so we began looking for a more authoritative weapon short of a BB gun. I was in a goofy little local hardware store one day, found a barrel of 4 foot long hard plastic tubes and some hard plastic beads with about the same inside diameter, and our tank battles were never the same. You couldn't argue your tank wasn't hit when it had a hole in it. It's hard to describe the scale of the hijinks that ensued; suffice to say long before Airsoft or paint balls were on the scene we were running around the neighborhood raising welts on each other. The trouble we could get into with blowguns was so impressive that it wasn't long before we placed a bulk order for .40 aluminum blowguns advertised in the back of a comic book and took things to a whole other level. I did a lot of truly stupid stuff with 'em, a favorite being shooting cigarettes out of unsuspecting hands and mouths. The neighborhood fauna was never the same after we started making .40 darts. Latent responsibility inspired by fatherhood has kept me from various evil pursuits for the past decade plus. I was wandering around a web site a month or so back, however, and found that Cold Steel had gotten into the blowgun biz. Feeling a little irresponsibility was in order I picked up on a 5 ft. blow gun, a two ft. extension, and a whole mess of darts. Air powered projectiles have been flying around the house and yard ever since. The blowgun is every bit as fun and accurate as I remember. It's no problem at all to get a group of 5 darts inside a 4 inch circle at 40 feet, and if you handpick the best darts it's fairly easy to get groups that will fit inside a quarter. One aspect of the Cold Steel darts that I like is that they come in several varieties. Back in the day we'd have to make our own high end darts; it was a lot of work. Cold Steel, however, provides broad head, mini broad head, bamboo, and stun darts that cover most bases and leave you able to shoot instead of screwing around making darts. I've got several complaints about the blowgun. It's hard to get the 2 ft. extension to sit squarely on the gun; not sure the accuracy problems introduced are worth the velocity gained. The quality control on the darts can be erratic; I suggest grabbing each along its length at the mid point and spinning it between your fingers; if it wobbles or displays other perturbations it won't fly particularly accurately. The broad heads appear to be made out of a high chromium steel that doesn't sharpen well at all, at least with the files I've tried. Next time I have the belt sander set up in a vise I'll try again. Finally, it's pretty hard to avoid bending a dart when sticking it into the quiver. You'd be a lot better off using a rubberband or tape to attach a piece of foam rubber or styrofoam to the gun to hold darts with. But all those are quibbles when compared to the fun that can be had with one of these blowguns. If you have any fondness at all for projectile weapons my guess is you'll have a lot of fun with one of these. Make no mistake, these are not toys, you don't want to leave 'em laying around for the kids to mess with. Though I haven't tried it yet, the web site claims you can penetrate a 1/2 inch piece of plywood; I've had no problem putting them through aluminum cans, multiple layers of cardboard, and through a box filled with packing peanuts and into drywall (oops!). Bottom line, give them as much respect as you do a blade. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:20:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: RE: [Eskrima] video clip: knife defense To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Actually, I've found slaps to be damned effective, given the right setup. What I didn't like about that slappy clip was that they did not teach them to put any real power into their slaps. Trust me, a slap with power generated from the hips can hit plenty hard. And (preaching to the choir, I know) it saddens me to see people being taught "self defense" techniques that are so low percentage. Not that I'd say "never kick a knife" but I would definitely say "kicking a knife is a pretty unlikely way to successfuly deal with a blade-wielding attacker - here are some better ways". It's the perpetration of the idea that "this is really training on how to really deal with someone who wants to cut a chunk out of you" that sucks. The look on the defenders face was one I read as "yeah, I've got it down, I can handle this situation, check it out". It stinks that her instructor put her into that mindset. Now perhaps she was thinking "wow, this was a fun silly demo but I'd never do this outside of the dojo with my friend who conveniently spins three times when I kick at him". That would be better. Perhaps. JK 1@msfencing.org wrote: I really liked the self-defense video on that site where they teach the women to slap widely at their attacker. I'm sure that would really work in a real situation. :-) Blessings, Rez "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." The Fencing Master, by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach from 1980 - 2002 Teaching cane fighting in Mississippi since 1999 Authorized Goju-Shorei Weapons System Instructor since 2004 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://TraditionalFencing.org / Mississippi Academy of Arms *//////{<>===========================- \ Virtute et Armis Teaching Fencing in Central Mississippi since 1980 > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Maddox [mailto:madsox2k@freeshell.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:16 AM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] video clip: knife defense > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Willy Lee wrote: > > > Jye nigma writes: > > > >> stuff that'll get you killed: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPVwh4ldjfk&search=self%20defense > > > > She's kinda cute though :) > > Heh. ;-) Nuf said, I'm an old married geez. > > But I noticed the clip title *did* say it was "creative" knife self > defense. They didn't say it was realistic, practical, effective, or > anything like that. Just creative, and I did find some of it quite > creative. Like the one pretend kick the defender did, when the guy > attacking did that spinning jump/fall backward with great dramatic flair - > I found that one especially amusing. > > Overall, I give it a solid 8.5 for entertainment value. > > Fun! > > afm > > -- > Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org > Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts > But really just, like, this guy, y'know? > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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