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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. FMA at 2nd Annual Black Belt Convention (Al Sardinas) 2. Re: knife defense (Gints Klimanis) 3. RE: video clip: knife defense (Joe Talmadge) 4. Re: Blowguns (jay de leon) 5. Re: FMA at 2nd Annual Black Belt Convention (neercsemantwelve@aol.com) 6. Creative self-defense (Michael Koblic) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA at 2nd Annual Black Belt Convention Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This past weekend I attended the 2nd Annual Black Belt held in Long Beach and although the convention was a flop compared to last year, the FMA's were strongly represented. In order of appearance: Guro Julius Melegrito - It is always a pleasure to see and talk with Guro Julius. He has now moved on to being President and Master Instructor at Martial Arts International promoting his "STIX 4 KIDS" program and Philippine Martial Arts Alliance (PMAA). He is also the director of the Stick and Knife program at Grandmaster John Pellegrini's International Combat Hapkido Federation. Julius mentioned that the PMAA serves as a broker/agent for interested parties looking for instruction in FMA's regardless of system. Although I missed his sampler seminar on Sunday, I know it was a success because Julius is the type of charismatic person that will win anyone over. Guro Roger Agbulos - This was the first time meeting this reserved but skillful and knowledgeable Filipino. Guro Agbulos' primary background is Lameco but he expressed that his passion is to spread and promote in general all FMA's. Observing his skill in brief exchanges with Guro Julius and Master Moni Aizik of Combatant Survival Krav-Maga, I can say the FMA's will be well represented. Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje Jr., Maginoo-Mandala Tim Waid, Guro Gabe Martinez, Guro Jason Baird. - It has been approximately 17 years since I last saw Grand Tuhon Gaje in person and it appears that he has not lost any of his speed and ability. Also impressive were Maginoo-Mandala Waid and Guros Martinez and Baird putting on a good display of their knife and stick skills. In a brief conversation, Grand Tuhon mentioned the training and drills that the Philippine soldiers he trains go through and I immediately thought "Philippine Supermen". He also said that he will be having a training camp and a full contact tournament in Manila next year at the end of February. It was good to see Grand Tuhon Gaje because back in the 80's he was a major factor in my FMA enlightenment. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of the Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gints Klimanis" To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Message: 5 > From: Ray >> So you feel that it is an okay idea to kick a knife from an attackers >> hand? >> I've always been told that is a bad policy. > > Agreed. Very bad policy. The only time I would even think of trying that > is if my hands were otherwise occupied, e.g. tied behind me or perhaps > holding onto another attacker's weapon and I had nothing else to use to > attempt to block the incoming knife attack. I'm rethinking the idea of using always discouraging a kick to disarm a knife. If your foot is actually your best weapon, why not use it? Perhaps trained kickers and soccer players are really better of doing this if their hands and other techniques are not up to par. For a guy of my size (even with some youth soccer experience), I wouldn't try it. But, I've seen quite a few knife sparring matching in which nimble soccer players have successfully kicked the knife out of an unsuspecting FMArtists hand. Even in fake knife sparring matches, most new people drop the knife their first time - ESPECIALLY those "trained" practitioners using easy flowing movements with hand grips involving just a few fingers. Often, the knife flies at the end of their movement, but just as often, the knife flies on mild impact with any target. On a tangent, what exactly is a "trained" knife wielder ? In my experience watching many knife "sparrers" during about one hundred matches per year (3-6 bouts, 26times/year), it's not the average weapons martial artist. I'm thinking it's those that use a knife for a living, such as meat processors and field laborers, or probably someone with enough street fighting experience to land themselves in jail. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Talmadge Subject: RE: [Eskrima] video clip: knife defense To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net --- Jonathan Kessler wrote: > Actually, I've found slaps to be damned effective, given the right setup. > What I didn't like about that slappy clip was that they did not teach them > to put any real power into their slaps. Trust me, a slap with power > generated from the hips can hit plenty hard. They looked like girl slaps to me. I never believed slaps could hit hard, but I trained with an AMOK instructor, and if I wasn't holding the pads myself, I would never have believed how hard he could open-hand slap. Just unbelieveable. He showed me how to do it and I practiced a bit, and now I enjoy showing other people those slaps ... I have a training partner who outweighs me by 80 pounds, he said he could barely hold onto the focus mitts when I slapped. Not sure I could pull these combative slaps off in a real self defense situation, I have to be completely relaxed to get any power in them at all. Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Blowguns To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net An FMA master who teaches blowguns as part of his system, has written a book about it and regularly participates in competition is GM Mat Marinas of Pananandata. . I am sure his students in this list can tell us more about it. Jay de Leon buz_ed_alias@mac.com wrote: I've never encountered blowguns in an FMA context, but I picked up one of Cold Steel's .625 blowgun a couple weeks back and have been having so much fun with it I figured I'd mention it to the list. I started messing with blowguns back when I was a kid. My friends and I were all WW II buffs and built massive numbers of 1/32 scale model WW II armor. With all those plastic tanks laying around we began doing scale model reenactments of tank battles, shooting rubber bands at each other's armor while storming the beach at Anzio, meeting Rommel at Tobruk, kicking Nazi booty at Kursk et al. Arguments would arise about wether a tank got hit, so we began looking for a more authoritative weapon short of a BB gun. I was in a goofy little local hardware store one day, found a barrel of 4 foot long hard plastic tubes and some hard plastic beads with about the same inside diameter, and our tank battles were never the same. You couldn't argue your tank wasn't hit when it had a hole in it. It's hard to describe the scale of the hijinks that ensued; suffice to say long before Airsoft or paint balls were on the scene we were running around the neighborhood raising welts on each other. The trouble we could get into with blowguns was so impressive that it wasn't long before we placed a bulk order for .40 aluminum blowguns advertised in the back of a comic book and took things to a whole other level. I did a lot of truly stupid stuff with 'em, a favorite being shooting cigarettes out of unsuspecting hands and mouths. The neighborhood fauna was never the same after we started making .40 darts. Latent responsibility inspired by fatherhood has kept me from various evil pursuits for the past decade plus. I was wandering around a web site a month or so back, however, and found that Cold Steel had gotten into the blowgun biz. Feeling a little irresponsibility was in order I picked up on a 5 ft. blow gun, a two ft. extension, and a whole mess of darts. Air powered projectiles have been flying around the house and yard ever since. The blowgun is every bit as fun and accurate as I remember. It's no problem at all to get a group of 5 darts inside a 4 inch circle at 40 feet, and if you handpick the best darts it's fairly easy to get groups that will fit inside a quarter. One aspect of the Cold Steel darts that I like is that they come in several varieties. Back in the day we'd have to make our own high end darts; it was a lot of work. Cold Steel, however, provides broad head, mini broad head, bamboo, and stun darts that cover most bases and leave you able to shoot instead of screwing around making darts. I've got several complaints about the blowgun. It's hard to get the 2 ft. extension to sit squarely on the gun; not sure the accuracy problems introduced are worth the velocity gained. The quality control on the darts can be erratic; I suggest grabbing each along its length at the mid point and spinning it between your fingers; if it wobbles or displays other perturbations it won't fly particularly accurately. The broad heads appear to be made out of a high chromium steel that doesn't sharpen well at all, at least with the files I've tried. Next time I have the belt sander set up in a vise I'll try again. Finally, it's pretty hard to avoid bending a dart when sticking it into the quiver. You'd be a lot better off using a rubberband or tape to attach a piece of foam rubber or styrofoam to the gun to hold darts with. But all those are quibbles when compared to the fun that can be had with one of these blowguns. If you have any fondness at all for projectile weapons my guess is you'll have a lot of fun with one of these. Make no mistake, these are not toys, you don't want to leave 'em laying around for the kids to mess with. Though I haven't tried it yet, the web site claims you can penetrate a 1/2 inch piece of plywood; I've had no problem putting them through aluminum cans, multiple layers of cardboard, and through a box filled with packing peanuts and into drywall (oops!). Bottom line, give them as much respect as you do a blade. Regards, Buz Grover _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 23:41:51 -0400 From: neercsemantwelve@aol.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA at 2nd Annual Black Belt Convention To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net MAN!! i went on sunday but i didn't know that FMA was going AT ALL the whole weekend. i can't believe i missed all that. i did buy that DVD that was sold there with moni aizik, tuhon gaje and a couple of others (i didn't think it was that good). i basically went to do that bas rutten seminar and check out the show room floor- if this event happens again next year i'll be sure to take a closer look at events that are taking place. Francisco -----Original Message----- From: energy_as@hotmail.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 6:07 PM Subject: [Eskrima] FMA at 2nd Annual Black Belt Convention This past weekend I attended the 2nd Annual Black Belt held in Long Beach and although the convention was a flop compared to last year, the FMA's were strongly represented. In order of appearance:    Guro Julius Melegrito - It is always a pleasure to see and talk with Guro Julius. He has now moved on to being President and Master Instructor at Martial Arts International promoting his "STIX 4 KIDS" program and Philippine Martial Arts Alliance (PMAA). He is also the director of the Stick and Knife program at Grandmaster John Pellegrini's International Combat Hapkido Federation. Julius mentioned that the PMAA serves as a broker/agent for interested parties looking for instruction in FMA's regardless of system. Although I missed his sampler seminar on Sunday, I know it was a success because Julius is the type of charismatic person that will win anyone over.    Guro Roger Agbulos - This was the first time meeting this reserved but skillful and knowledgeable Filipino. Guro Agbulos' primary background is Lameco but he expressed that his passion is to spread and promote in general all FMA's. Observing his skill in brief exchanges with Guro Julius and Master Moni Aizik of Combatant Survival Krav-Maga, I can say the FMA's will be well represented.    Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje Jr., Maginoo-Mandala Tim Waid, Guro Gabe Martinez, Guro Jason Baird. - It has been approximately 17 years since I last saw Grand Tuhon Gaje in person and it appears that he has not lost any of his speed and ability. Also impressive were Maginoo-Mandala Waid and Guros Martinez and Baird putting on a good display of their knife and stick skills. In a brief conversation, Grand Tuhon mentioned the training and drills that the Philippine soldiers he trains go through and I immediately thought "Philippine Supermen". He also said that he will be having a training camp and a full contact tournament in Manila next year at the end of February. It was good to see Grand Tuhon Gaje because back in the 80's he was a major factor in my FMA enlightenment.    Respectfully,  Al Sardinas  Student of the Garimot System of Arnis _______________________________________________  Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net  Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource  Standard disclaimers apply  http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima  ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:08:47 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Creative self-defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ken (i think) wrote: "The biggest problem with these classes is the false sense of security they provide- sure learning something to defend themselves is better than nothing, but too often people come out of these seminars thinking they are safe to walk through "the mean city streets" and that's where the problem comes..." But this is consistent with the flood of movies and TV programs where 120 lb women kick ass of huge muscular men by doing just similar techniques. Surely Hollywood does not lie? Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest