Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:49:18 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #239 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Kicking the knife (Bandile Dlabantu) 2. Kick vs. knife (bgdebuque) 3. Knife Defence (Ollie Batts) 4. Sword (Gilmour, Julian) 5. Re: video clip: knife defense (iPat) 6. Video Knife defense (shadows81048@aol.com) 7. RE: Video Knife defense (Ken Borowiec) 8. Re: Creative Self Defense (Todd Ellner) 9. RE: Re: Creative Self Defense (Joseph Marana) 10. Re: Blowguns (Kel620@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 07:13:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Bandile Dlabantu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kicking the knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I personally would never kick a knife off someones hand. It might lead to my foot or leg getting cut and that would inhibit my ability to run away. About telegraphed drilling, my instructor always taught me to equate with what is real. Smaller motions non telegraphed with increased resistance I have found were the best way to increase confidence in students. Also there needs to be anything goes sessions where people will see whether their techniques work a sort of reality check. I will be visiting some friends in New York (Manhattan) in late September . I would be in the US for 10 days and I would like to put in some training time. Is there someone on this list who is around the area. I must say I am rather green when it comes to FMA so need a patient instructor. Bandile D. Admire only the diamond that can bear the hits of a hammer - Kabir --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:11:00 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kick vs. knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It really depends on the situation, and the defender's kicking skill. I have only heard of 2 actual cases in the Philippines wherein a kick was successfully employed agains armed opponents and both of them involved a defender who can kick like a mule and opponents who did not expect to be up someone who can kick with such power. In the first case, the defender was confronted by a bayonet-wielding mugger who asked for his wallet near Manila's LRT Grand Central Station in Lawton. The defender immediately floored him with a left 45 roundhouse kick to the body and then ran inside the armed-guard protected train station. In the second case, the same defender had an altercation with a rowdy group of drinkers in one of Manila's seedy "beer gardens". A member of the group who happened to be armed tried to draw the 1911A1 tucked in his waist. The defender used the same left 45 roundhouse kick to target his opponent's right hand (which had barely drawn the pistol) and floored him and sent the pistol flying as well. The defender then ran away from the bar. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:59:29 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Knife Defence Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From my perspective, the one with the knife has all the advantages. If an escape route is available you're better off taking it than thinking that you should stay and try to disarm someone with a knife with your bare hands. If the escape route isn't available, then you need an equaliser - like a stick or chair, etc. Distraction is also a useful tool/strategy, so if you can throw something unexpectedly into the attacker's face, loose change (a few small coins), a handful of dirt, your hat, etc., you might just be able to try kicking a knife from a (especially non-skilled) attacker's hand. The feet are also usually covered, and therefore to some extent protected, by shoes. Hands are likely to be uncovered (bare) and totally unprotected. Your legs offer the advantage of reach. You might try a kick to the knee, rather than attempt to kick the knife, or knife hand, for example. You might also use your belt if you wear one, and assuming you can take it off your trousers quick enough. Use it like a whip (like a towel in the showers), either to hurt, or to distract prior to kicking the knee, for example. Use: Speed, Aggression (Determination), and Surprise (Distraction). Do the unexpected. But once you react, do it as if your life depends on it, because that may very well be the case. At the end of the day, and with your life on the line, who knows what you might or should try in order to save your life. Never say never. Pugil Message: 2 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: knife defense Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:31:46 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So you feel that it is an okay idea to kick a knife from an attackers hand? I've always been told that is a bad policy. Let alone the fact that a knife attack will not be telegraphed in the way that it was in the video clip, unless of course it is a duel, in which case I ask the first question again. Peace Out John --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:20:46 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Sword Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all The 'Musashi' sword Calm down guys - I wasn't seriously considering going out immediately and buying the thing! Thanks for all your comments though. I got some more info yesterday.... I went back to the shop. Incidentally, it is not a flea market, it is a VERY expensive, upmarket shopping arcade in the 'antiques quarter' of London (England). The shop was still closed but I had another look at the sword and rang the number on the shop door. The sword does have kanji on the tang that has been photocopied and enlarged in the window, and the translation does indeed say Musashi, and a few other words I don't recognise (This would obviously need to be verified). Given the interest/passionate disinterest on the list, I may go back and find out what the other words were, maybe someone on the list can enlighten us. The sign also says circa 1683, which is about right. (FYI I knew he was 17th not 7thcentury, that was a typo). It does come with a scabbard too, but that, and the handle have both been overlaid with a further leather lattice more recently. The guy on the phone brought this to my attention as I am (clearly) no expert, and he says it was done in WW2, and he feels it makes the sword all the more interesting. I would have preferred it to be traditional myself, but he is a war historian-type. I presume it can be removed, anyway. As for the Japanese throwing parties in its honour, that's what I'd do if it was real and I owned it. But as of my last post, there is probably a team of ninjas on the roof of a posh antiques arcade in Islington right now, waiting for nightfall, just in case. Anyway, even if I could authenticate it, it is totally out my price range. He wants £1850 ($3459 US) for it. Even if I was happy with a reliable authentication, I just cannot afford that sort of money, even as an investment. I'd always be worried about a ninja coming round to my apartment and stealing it off me, too ;) By the way, Buzz (Mr Grover) - about that bamboo bridge... How much do you want for it? "Strike from the void" Myamoto Musashi Julian ############################################################################# ######## This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by NetIQ MailMarshal The recipient of this email should ensure that it is virus free. We do not accept any liability for any virus that may be conveyed with this email. ############################################################################# ######## --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:25:26 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] video clip: knife defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net did you not view the Bob Spour link i put on here recently? If not go to YOUTUBE and type in Bob Spour and see his clips from his new dvds. On 8/2/06, Joe Talmadge wrote: > > > They looked like girl slaps to me. I never believed slaps could hit hard, > but > I trained with an AMOK instructor, and if I wasn't holding the pads > myself, I -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:06:17 -0400 From: shadows81048@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Video Knife defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If anyone out there thinks they can kick a bladed weapon out of the hand of someone that trains on a regular basis with blades ...they deserve to get their foot/leg stabbed or cut! Guro 9 ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Video Knife defense Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:40:42 -0400 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "If anyone out there thinks they can kick a bladed weapon out of the hand of someone that trains on a regular basis with blades ...they deserve to get their foot/leg stabbed or cut!" ~Guro 9 First I agree completely with the above statement. This statement made me think of a question. I know the type is out there, but my question is for those on the string. How many here would pull a knife on a single unarmed attacker? How many attackers would it take before you feel you need the knife? And assuming there is no escape route, how about an attacker with a stick? Ken --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:19:36 -0700 From: Todd Ellner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Creative Self Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://tinyurl.com/omdcb Summary: World-renowned magician David Copperfield and a couple of his female assistants were robbed in West Palm Beach. Four teenagers with guns got the drop on them. The women handed over their valuables. Copperfield used sleight of hand to show them his pockets while concealing his wallet, phone and passport. The robbers sped off. The party memorized the license plate number, and the criminals were caught within minutes. Take a look at this story. Meditate on it. Four teenagers with pistols could have turned the thing into a multiple murder in a second. Even if the defenders had all had guns of their own, probably especially if they had, there would have been dead innocents. The magician pitted his strengths - skills at illusion, managing an audience - against their mental weaknesses to get about as good a result as you could hope for. And they pulled off this unrehearsed act with a hostile audience at close quarters on an unprepared stage. Then they made sure the bad guys were caught. That's pretty damned impressive. I doubt most of us would have done as good a job. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:06:19 -0700 From: "Joseph Marana" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Creative Self Defense To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would have thought it would be unadvisable to use magic when faced with multiple armed opponents. Then again, my first eskrima instructor once performed one of those "floating cane" tricks during a demonstration in the Philippines and apparently many people thought he had anting-anting. David Copperfield is awesome! -----Original Message----- From: Todd Ellner [mailto:tellner@cs.pdx.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:20 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Creative Self Defense http://tinyurl.com/omdcb Summary: World-renowned magician David Copperfield and a couple of his female assistants were robbed in West Palm Beach. Four teenagers with guns got the drop on them. The women handed over their valuables. Copperfield used sleight of hand to show them his pockets while concealing his wallet, phone and passport. The robbers sped off. The party memorized the license plate number, and the criminals were caught within minutes. Take a look at this story. Meditate on it. Four teenagers with pistols could have turned the thing into a multiple murder in a second. Even if the defenders had all had guns of their own, probably especially if they had, there would have been dead innocents. The magician pitted his strengths - skills at illusion, managing an audience - against their mental weaknesses to get about as good a result as you could hope for. And they pulled off this unrehearsed act with a hostile audience at close quarters on an unprepared stage. Then they made sure the bad guys were caught. That's pretty damned impressive. I doubt most of us would have done as good a job. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:58:30 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Blowguns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You can also check out blowguns.net. They make good models and sell a bunch of accessories, including slingshots. Kelvin Williams --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest