Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:59:47 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #251 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re:single stick (malcolm knight) 2. Re: Re:single stick (Jonathan Kessler) 3. Re: RE: Western Systems (Steve Ames) 4. Re: Re:single stick (Steve Ames) 5. Jeepney & all (Ollie Batts) 6. Re: GrandMaster Tatang Ilustrisimo (DenverAMA@aol.com) 7. Jeepneys and Robbers !! (Jorge Penafiel) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "malcolm knight" To: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:53:35 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Re:single stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nothing wrong with single stick systems, what you think you are gonna be doing with your empty ( alive hand ? ) not scratching your nose I know. Check out some Balintawak sites and see how effective single stick can be. World Nickelstick Eskrima Club http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcolmk/ Steve Ames Wrote: .....I saw a demo of "single stick" this weekend. Not what I was expecting at all :)" Steve, can you elaborate here or offline about the "single stick"? I was contemplating watching/entering the Single stick tourney myself just for grins, giggles and discovery (no disrespect, more to laugh at myself). --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:single stick To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I believe you mean "singlestick", a British "folk" system that developed over time, rather than "an FMA system based around solo baston". There will be some singlestick here in the SF Bay area http://www.westernmartialartsgathering.com/ I have a friend who has a great deal of fighting, sword, and stick experience, and he is quite impressed with the high level singlestick guys he has encountered. JK malcolm knight wrote: Nothing wrong with single stick systems, what you think you are gonna be doing with your empty ( alive hand ? ) not scratching your nose I know. Check out some Balintawak sites and see how effective single stick can be. World Nickelstick Eskrima Club http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcolmk/ Steve Ames Wrote: .....I saw a demo of "single stick" this weekend. Not what I was expecting at all :)" Steve, can you elaborate here or offline about the "single stick"? I was contemplating watching/entering the Single stick tourney myself just for grins, giggles and discovery (no disrespect, more to laugh at myself). _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:39:25 -0400 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Western Systems Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 07:30:19AM -0500, Van Harn, Steve wrote: > Steve Ames Wrote: > "I just returned from 4 days of sword swinging goodness up in Lansing, > MI where the 7th International Swordfighting and Martial Arts Convention > (ISMAC: http://artofcombat.org/public/thespis/convention/aocflyer.htm) > was held. Great time. > I saw a demo of "single stick" this weekend. Not what I was expecting at > all :)" > > Steve, can you elaborate here or offline about the "single stick"? > > I was contemplating watching/entering the Single stick tourney myself > just for grins, giggles and discovery (no disrespect, more to laugh at > myself). You should have. It did look like serious fun. Single Stick from the WMA perspective is one of the "manly arts". Eventually it would become more like single stick in FMA but initially it was more like old style boxing. Two guys stood about 3 feet apart (unmoving) and bashed one another about the head. Depending on the rules the loser was either the first with an inch of blood or the first to get a drop of blood on his white shirt. Its a fairly new art as it appeared late 18th century. I guess the "manly" part was that whole not moving thing. This was just one way that the sport of single stick was played. This variation was kind of a cross between the singlestick fencing that was practiced officielly (licensed competitions) and cudgel play that came in from other parts of the UK. Even in the moving varients scoring was more like modern fencing in that double hits didn't score, good hits require a stop/reset (after all your oponent is dead), generally scoring 3 hits was a win. This makes sense if you think about the stick as a standin for the sabre as opposed to being a stick. Tony Wolf has a couple of good articles on single stick in the Journal of Manly Arts: http://ejmas.com/jmanly/ -steve --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:40:38 -0400 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:single stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 07:15:37AM -0700, Jonathan Kessler wrote: > I believe you mean "singlestick", a British "folk" system that developed > over time, rather than "an FMA system based around solo baston". correct. Thanks for the clarification. -steve --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:59:30 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Jeepney & all Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Many thanks to Bandile D. and to Bot (especially for that extremely detailed reply). I should have taken the trouble to Google search 'Jeepney', but then I wouldn't have had the pleasure of receiving such a detailed explanation. No offence intended of the value of life by the way. Ollie --__--__-- Message: 6 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:16:36 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GrandMaster Tatang Ilustrisimo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you for sharing, I really appreciate this! :-) Heather Heather MonDee _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com) Here's a link for you Guro James. 'Just thought I'd share. http://fma.rtrinidad.com/files/lionheart-ilustrisimo.wmv Enjoy! Daniel Arola --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:20:40 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Jeepneys and Robbers !! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Professor Bot,,ever so candidly and with politeness, you said it best about the Manila Jeepneys and the Legalities/morals/defense/etc aspect of the Incident with regards to both victims and the criminals. Now, if I may add a bit of trivia on the subject at hand,,allow me to say: The jeepney as stated is the most available and appropriate daily transportation for communters in crowded Manila and elswhere in the country. Considering the number of passengers it can carry, it is compact and very manueverable for the narrow and congested city streets. Unlike the Taxi, because of its more people load, it has become a convenient preying grounds of robbers. Robbers knows this for a fact and so their activity happens daily and more during paydays which is every other week -ends. As such, it has become problematic to people and the Law. There is a pinoy saying that says "sa lahat ng masahol sa lahat ay ang magnanakaw" - translation " there's no more worse human being than the robbers" because they just violate you in so many ways. Imagine,,your half-month pay and personal valuables taken from you in just one lousy sheer luck. They operate so boldly with no concern for the Law or morals and have great success rate as far as taking what they want or so desire from their victims. Every now and then a reverse scenario occurs wherein the intended victim comes out on top and this becomes big news. If it gets this messy as stated,,I'm sorry to say that don't expect the law, witnesses, public, and or me having sympathy for the robbers. All this has nothing to do with what Life is in the Philiipines, its people, laws, and morals. Purely, it was self defense against armed thugs. It so happens the man had a superior weapon, guts, and presence of mind to act and react to the situation. Self defense shown at it's best!!. Gumagalang - Jorge penafiel --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest