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Re: Blowguns (nephalim1@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Jeepney & all To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Ollie, hi Manong Jorge; --- Ollie Batts wrote: > > No offence intended of the value of life by the way. > None taken... Manong Jorge said it nicely - the sheer frustration people feel when their half-month's pay vanishes just like that...hence the attitudes towards criminals like these. Especially when that half-month's pay goes to paying for your ailing mother's medicines. Or for your ailing child/ren...Just two examples here. Bot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:35:26 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Singlestick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There have been several different types of stick fighting methods in the British Isles over the centuries. These included: Singlestick; Cudgelling; Backswording (sometimes also fought using real blades with dulled edges); Waster play; Bavins and, of course, Quarterstaffing. In Singlestick alone, the rules of 'play' varied at different times, and in different parts of the country. Sometimes the free hand would simply be held loosely behind the back. Sometimes that hand would be tied tightly against the rear leg thigh. At other times the free hand would be required to hold onto a belt, neckerchief or scarf (etc) tied loosely around that thigh. It didn't matter what method was used, the free hand was not supposed to play any part in the contest. Competitors sometimes travelled far and wide in order to participate in the various competitions. They were often known as Gamesters. The events usually took place during local Veasts and Festivals. By travelling around in this manner, high level and Champion stick fighters could make good money. In order to show that they were willing to enter the tournament, Gamesters would remove their hats and toss them into the ring. Yes, that's where the saying comes from. The sticks were around 34 inches long, sometimes longer. They were usually cut from Ash (although Hazel or even rattan was also used in some areas), and they were left overnight to soak in water. This kept the sticks pliable, and helped prevent them from splintering. The only protection afforded to the Gamesters was a 'pot', or small basket hilt, woven from thin sticks or cane (as used for basketry). Practise hilts were later sometimes made from thick cowhide (leather). In some areas they also allowed Gamesters to wear a leather jerkin. The arms were always bare, however. Oh yes, there was one other means of protection, especially in the West Country, the little prayer, 'God spare our eyes'. In many such contests, all blows were allowed, and to all parts of the body, except thrusting with the point. The contest was only won, however, when first blood was drawn above the jaw-line. Knocking an opponent's teeth out (or even an eye) was not unknown. Splitting the forehead with the tip was, perhaps, a little more common. If competitors fought too close it was not always easy to draw blood. Sometimes fights went on for an hour, or even two, without blood being drawn above the jaw-line. It was not unknown for men to drop exhausted, and to even die, following such a gruesome contest. The high overhead semi-hanging guard was common, with fast 'abaniko'-like hits delivered at such speed that it was said to sound like a boy running along with his stick held against a set of iron railings. At the end of each bout, the 'pot' would be slid from the stick and passed around the crowd. Spectators would then put nobbins (coins) into the pot to be presented to the winner. So in other words, Gamesters fought for the pot. It was not uncommon for the winner to also receive a new hat as well. Later on in some parts of the country, stick play became a cheap and nasty substitute for fencing with real blades. The old-country methods of fighting was, however, never meant to be anything other than a contest with sticks. Pugil Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:30:19 -0500 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Western Systems Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve Ames Wrote: "I just returned from 4 days of sword swinging goodness up in Lansing, MI where the 7th International Swordfighting and Martial Arts Convention (ISMAC: http://artofcombat.org/public/thespis/convention/aocflyer.htm) was held. Great time. I saw a demo of "single stick" this weekend. Not what I was expecting at all :)" Steve, can you elaborate here or offline about the "single stick"? I was contemplating watching/entering the Single stick tourney myself just for grins, giggles and discovery (no disrespect, more to laugh at myself). Steve --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: James Thornton Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GrandMaster Tatang Ilustrisimo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you so much Guru MonDee that video of Tatang means so much to me?I f you need me for anything feel free to email me. Guru James DenverAMA@aol.com wrote: Thank you for sharing, I really appreciate this! :-) Heather Heather MonDee _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com) Here's a link for you Guro James. 'Just thought I'd share. http://fma.rtrinidad.com/files/lionheart-ilustrisimo.wmv Enjoy! Daniel Arola _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: James Thornton Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GrandMaster Tatang Ilustrisimo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Guru, Thanks for video clip of Tatang means a great deal to me,you have any idea who the two guys in the clip with Tatang are?And are they still around?Where are you located Guru?If you ever need me for anything feel free to shoot mt an email or you can give me a call cell:940-642-4112 take care. James Daniel Arola wrote: Here's a link for you Guro James. 'Just thought I'd share. http://fma.rtrinidad.com/files/lionheart-ilustrisimo.wmv Enjoy! Daniel Arola DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAMAG_Kali_Stickfighting http://www.myspace.com/DanielArola __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:20:31 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GrandMaster Tatang Ilustrisimo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guru James, It was .... I believe Daniel A. at the bottom who shared it with the group. I was thanking this person as well. Because I appreciated it A LOT too! I would love your gratitude, but I share it with you for whoever Daniel is. :-) Have a great one both of you!!! Heather Heather MonDee _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com) Thank you so much Guru MonDee that video of Tatang means so much to me?I f you need me for anything feel free to email me. Guru James DenverAMA@aol.com wrote: Thank you for sharing, I really appreciate this! :-) Heather Heather MonDee _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com) Here's a link for you Guro James. 'Just thought I'd share. http://fma.rtrinidad.com/files/lionheart-ilustrisimo.wmv Enjoy! Daniel Arola _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GrandMaster Tatang Ilustrisimo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The other two guys in the video are Alan Sachetti and Master Sioc Glarga. James Thornton wrote: Hello Guru, Thanks for video clip of Tatang means a great deal to me,you have any idea who the two guys in the clip with Tatang are?And are they still around?Where are you located Guru?If you ever need me for anything feel free to shoot mt an email or you can give me a call cell:940-642-4112 take care. James Daniel Arola wrote: Here's a link for you Guro James. 'Just thought I'd share. http://fma.rtrinidad.com/files/lionheart-ilustrisimo.wmv Enjoy! Daniel Arola DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DAMAG_Kali_Stickfighting http://www.myspace.com/DanielArola __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Singlestick Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:20:07 -0500 Organization: Mississippi Academy of Arms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> In Singlestick alone, the rules of 'play' varied at different times... The only thing I will add to what has already been said about Single Stick is that it was also a modern Olympic fencing sport for a few years when the Olympics were reestablished in 1896. In that arena its conventions were established to simulate the military sabre which was entirely different in heft and technique than the dueling sabre (sciabolo de terreno) or a common stick for that matter. Of course, just as happened in modern fencing, the arbitrary rules led it away from true sabre realities. Blessings, Rez "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." The Fencing Master, by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach from 1980 - 2002 Teaching cane fighting in Mississippi since 1999 Authorized Goju-Shorei Weapons System Instructor since 2004 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://TraditionalFencing.org / Mississippi Academy of Arms *//////{<>===========================- \ Virtute et Armis Teaching Fencing in Central Mississippi since 1980 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:28:31 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Blowguns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net thanks for the intro kuya Jay. yes, punong guro Mat Marinas, Sr. has written a book on blowguns titled, "Pananandata Guide To Sport Blowguns". The topics covered in his book ranges from a brief history and description of the native blowguns in the Philippines, setup, breathing excercises, care and maitenance and of course (being a proffessor of chemical engineering) mathematical eqautions describing the mechanics involved (much like his other book in knife throwing). A great read, it is a good source for every skill level. It is called a "zarbatana" (sulbatana in my dialect) and is usually made with bamboo or anahaw (coconut lumber) or some other kind of hardwood. when made with hardwood it is usually two halves joined with twine or small diameter rope. usually over 40 inches in length it is usually heavy for the hardwood variety. because of its length it doubles as a pingga or staff/spear when dart supplies are expended. hope this helps. Jose jay de leon wrote: >An FMA master who teaches blowguns as part of his system, has written >  a book about it and regularly participates in competition is GM Mat Marinas >  of Pananandata. >  . >  I am sure his students in this list can tell us more about it. >   >  Jay de Leon > >buz_ed_alias@mac.com wrote: >  I've never encountered blowguns in an FMA context, but I picked up >one of Cold Steel's .625 blowgun a couple weeks back and have been >having so much fun with it I figured I'd mention it to the list. > >I started messing with blowguns back when I was a kid. My friends and >I were all WW II buffs and built massive numbers of 1/32 scale model >WW II armor. With all those plastic tanks laying around we began >doing scale model reenactments of tank battles, shooting rubber bands >at each other's armor while storming the beach at Anzio, meeting >Rommel at Tobruk, kicking Nazi booty at Kursk et al. Arguments would >arise about wether a tank got hit, so we began looking for a more >authoritative weapon short of a BB gun. I was in a goofy little local >hardware store one day, found a barrel of 4 foot long hard plastic >tubes and some hard plastic beads with about the same inside >diameter, and our tank battles were never the same. You couldn't >argue your tank wasn't hit when it had a hole in it. > >It's hard to describe the scale of the hijinks that ensued; suffice >to say long before Airsoft or paint balls were on the scene we were >running around the neighborhood raising welts on each other. The >trouble we could get into with blowguns was so impressive that it >wasn't long before we placed a bulk order for .40 aluminum blowguns >advertised in the back of a comic book and took things to a whole >other level. I did a lot of truly stupid stuff with 'em, a favorite >being shooting cigarettes out of unsuspecting hands and mouths. The >neighborhood fauna was never the same after we started making .40 darts. > >Latent responsibility inspired by fatherhood has kept me from various >evil pursuits for the past decade plus. I was wandering around a web >site a month or so back, however, and found that Cold Steel had >gotten into the blowgun biz. Feeling a little irresponsibility was in >order I picked up on a 5 ft. blow gun, a two ft. extension, and a >whole mess of darts. Air powered projectiles have been flying around >the house and yard ever since. > >The blowgun is every bit as fun and accurate as I remember. It's no >problem at all to get a group of 5 darts inside a 4 inch circle at 40 >feet, and if you handpick the best darts it's fairly easy to get >groups that will fit inside a quarter. One aspect of the Cold Steel >darts that I like is that they come in several varieties. Back in the >day we'd have to make our own high end darts; it was a lot of work. >Cold Steel, however, provides broad head, mini broad head, bamboo, >and stun darts that cover most bases and leave you able to shoot >instead of screwing around making darts. > >I've got several complaints about the blowgun. It's hard to get the 2 >ft. extension to sit squarely on the gun; not sure the accuracy >problems introduced are worth the velocity gained. The quality >control on the darts can be erratic; I suggest grabbing each along >its length at the mid point and spinning it between your fingers; if >it wobbles or displays other perturbations it won't fly particularly >accurately. The broad heads appear to be made out of a high chromium >steel that doesn't sharpen well at all, at least with the files I've >tried. Next time I have the belt sander set up in a vise I'll try >again. Finally, it's pretty hard to avoid bending a dart when >sticking it into the quiver. You'd be a lot better off using a >rubberband or tape to attach a piece of foam rubber or styrofoam to >the gun to hold darts with. > >But all those are quibbles when compared to the fun that can be had >with one of these blowguns. If you have any fondness at all for >projectile weapons my guess is you'll have a lot of fun with one of >these. Make no mistake, these are not toys, you don't want to leave >'em laying around for the kids to mess with. Though I haven't tried >it yet, the web site claims you can penetrate a 1/2 inch piece of >plywood; I've had no problem putting them through aluminum cans, >multiple layers of cardboard, and through a box filled with packing >peanuts and into drywall (oops!). Bottom line, give them as much >respect as you do a blade. > >Regards, > >Buz Grover >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2300 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. 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