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Re: East meets West sword matches thoughts from a Camp Fire Discussion on European Martial arts (John Johnson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] East meets West sword matches thoughts from a Camp Fire Discussion on European Martial arts Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:33:42 -0500 Organization: Mississippi Academy of Arms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > "Leaving aside for the moment the question of the quality of the respective > weapons (the Japanese sword being widely regarded as the standard by which > others are judged)" I would think a German Longsword could easily break a katana in half. Blessings, Rez "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." The Fencing Master, by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach from 1980 - 2002 Teaching cane fighting in Mississippi since 1999 Authorized Goju-Shorei Weapons System Instructor since 2004 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://TraditionalFencing.org / Mississippi Academy of Arms *//////{<>===========================- \ Virtute et Armis Teaching Fencing in Central Mississippi since 1980 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] East meets West sword matches thoughts from a Camp Fire Discussion on European Martial arts Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:08:07 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I should ad that I meant sword type not sword, as quality of each individual sword is determined by material used and the skill of the smith. In the end when it comes to swords, it's more the luck and skill of the delivery system (the wielder) of the weapon, than the weapon itself that matters... Peace Out John >From: "John Johnson" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] East meets West sword matches thoughts from a Camp >Fire Discussion on European Martial arts >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:12:53 -0400 > >Here are a couple of links that might help end the legend of one sword >being superior to the other. Each sword had or has it's intended purpose >and for that each was good for what it was/is made for. As far as superior >materials or craftsmanship well, just check out the links > >http://netsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001557.html > >http://netsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001502.html > > > > > > > >Peace Out >John > > > > > >>From: "Steve Ames" >>Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Eskrima] East meets West sword matches thoughts from a >>Camp Fire Discussion on European Martial arts >>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:07:43 -0400 >> >>Additionally I'd like to address: >> >>"Leaving aside for the moment the question of the quality of the >>respective >>weapons (the Japanese sword being widely regarded as the standard by which >>others are judged)" >> >>widely regarded != correctly regarded. There was recently a very large >>discussion on SwordForum about why the Katana is regarded as such powerful >>weapon. >> >>http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36755 >> >>There is little question that most japanese swords are prettier but I >>think >>they are also "imbued by such mystique and are considered by many to be >>superior to the European". Hate to perpetuate such beliefs by letting them >>go unchallenged. >> >>-Steve >> >>Jonathan Kessler wrote: >> > Umm... >> > With Lapu Lapu and Magellan, the disparity in numbers is generally >> > considered more of a deciding factor in that conflict than either >> > sides particular martial skills. Though Magellan did a few bonehead >> > things (as judged by his own martial systems and traditions). >> > >> > There is a tendency in many cultures to embrace what is new and >> > different, and to disdain their own traditions (some cultures have >> > the opposite tendency, and reject what is foreign and rigidly cling >> > to what is theirs). >> > >> > Back in the late 1960's, oriental fighting arts seemed mystical and >> > secret and vastly superior to our own (we didn't really think we >> > had any). Any oriental was seen as likely to be a walking stick of >> > dynamite. I remember an older, wiser friend telling me that boxing >> > was an effective martial art, and that a good boxer could hold his >> > own against a karateka. I did not believe him. Yet we have seen >> > today that "boxing and wrestling" combine very effectively against >> > "karate and judo" or "muay thai and BJJ". By the same token, look at >> > the huge bandwagon BJJ (new and different) developed. And how that >> > momentum has dropped now that it is no longer so "new" and it's >> > revealed as a very real system, with good and bad points, like any >> > others. (Well, except the one I study, which is perfect and complete >> > - joking there, kids). >> > >> > There are some interesting articles on this topic on the ARMA >> > (Association for Renaissance Martial Arts) website >> > http://www.thehaca.com/, including a couple of well thought out >> > discussions of the medieval European knight vs. the feudal Japanese >> > samurai. >> > >> > JK >> > >> > "Lawrence, Marc J." wrote: >> > To all, >> > I got to thinking about Michaels comments on Japanese Martial arts >> > verses European Martial Arts. >> > "Thus I find it somewhat puzzling that the Japanese arts are imbued by >> > such mystique and are considered by many to be superior to the >> > European >> > styles of fighting. >> > Leaving aside for the moment the question of the quality of the >> > respective weapons (the Japanese sword being widely regarded as the >> > standard by which others are judged) I cannot help but wonder: Is >> > Japanese swordsmanship truly superior to, say, Hungarian school of >> > saber? Has this ever been tested in real life?" >> > Michael Koblic, >> > Campbell River, BC >> > This is what I remembered from reading History and I look back up. >> > Remembering that both sides were battle harden veterans. >> >> From Wikipedia: >> > On the morning of April 27 , 1521 , >> > Lapu-Lapu and the men of Mactan, armed with spears and kampilan >> > , faced 49 Spanish soldiers led by >> > Portuguese captain Ferdinand Magellan . In >> > what would later be known as the Battle of Mactan >> > , Magellan and several of his men were killed. >> > This tells me that Lapu-Lapu's Filipino martial arts were better than >> > Ferdinand's European Martial arts. >> > Marc Lawrence >> > South Bay >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >> > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> > Standard disclaimers apply >> > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >> > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> > Standard disclaimers apply >> > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >>_______________________________________________ >>Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members >>Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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