Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 02:59:46 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #261 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. East meets West: Never the twain shall meet! (Marc MacYoung) 2. 12th / 15th Century swords (Ollie Batts) 3. Edge-to-edge blocking? (Ollie Batts) 4. Re: East meets West (bgdebuque) 5. Noho and Hollywood (Marc Denny) 6. RE: Tuhon Gaje Pekiti Tirsia Kali-Aug 19-20 Virginia (East Wind Academy) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:28:23 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] East meets West: Never the twain shall meet! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: Steve Ames > Marc... from what I gather on the ARMA website other other online forums, > ARMA fully believes in blocking. The contention between ARMA and other > researchers is that ARMA takes the stance that blocks should be done > with the flat (either your flat against your oponents blade or your edge > against their flat) and seldom (never?) done edge against edge. > And that... is a whole nuther kettle o' fish. OOPS! You're right...I goofed. I was writing too fast. Good catch. M --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:51:00 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] 12th / 15th Century swords Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forgive me but, that statement is a little too general for me. If you visit the Wallace Collection in London, for example, you can compare many different types of European swords from several different time periods. For example: One Scandinavian sword, dated c850-950, is not really that different to a German one from 1150. The pommel is slightly different, as is the cross guard. But the differences are only slight. Take a look at pictures on the Bayeux Tapestry for examples of the types of swords used by the Normans in 1066 at the Battle of Hastings, and you'll see that those swords were also remarkably similar to the ones mentioned above. During the Crusades, the swords still looked pretty much the same. Straight double-edged blade, straight or slightly curved cross guard, large pommel, and single-handed grip. Although the use of two hands was still possible by holding onto the pommel, etc. As we move through the 13, 14 and 1500's it is evident that 'some' blades were a little more sharply-pointed than others. But the blades still had a similar profile overall. In some cases, the handles were longer, to afford single or double-handed use. e.g. Hand-and-a-half 'Bastard Swords'. Having said that, depending on what part of Europe you decide to look at, what particular period of time, and for who the sword was to be used by (mounted, or on foot, for example), you can find a plethora of different blade and hilt designs. Even fashion played its part. As for breaking blades: The strength of any blade is generally based in the cutting plane. In other words, in the direction it will be used to cut with. Take 'any sword' you like, give it an almighty whack against the trunk of a tree, but hit it with the side of the blade, and see what happens. Depending on the blade profile, the metallurgy, the hardening and tempering, etc, etc, you should get one of three outcomes... go figure. Pugil Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: Re: [Eskrima] East meets West "Look at 15th century European swords as compared to 12th century swords, and you will see a huge difference." --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:02:15 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Edge-to-edge blocking? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Battlefield weapons, when collected up afterwards, showed clear evidence of edge-to-edge blocking was indeed used when ones life was on the line. It's clearly a much better position for the wrist, which in turn provides a much stronger defensive action. Pugil Message: 5 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:18:43 -0400 From: Steve Ames "The contention between ARMA and other researchers is that ARMA takes the stance that blocks should be done with the flat (either your flat against your oponents blade or your edge against their flat) and seldom (never?) done edge against edge. "And that... is a whole nuther kettle o' fish." -steve --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:19:48 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] East meets West Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you have to use your katana to block a slash from a German Longsword then, either there is something wrong with your footwork, or you have not been listening too well to your MA teacher... =[:->] I guess this old Filipino streefighting saying sums up quite well the relevance of weapons to actual combat: "Inside an empty fuel drum, a Gillette razor blade will beat a ginunting..." =[:->] > Message: 4 > From: "Michael Koblic" > To: "Eskrima digest" > Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:27:13 -0700 > Subject: [Eskrima] East meets West > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Rez wrote: > "I would think a German Longsword could easily break a katana in half." > > So could a 10-cent iron bar. Is that really a good criterion to compare > weapon quality? > > Michael Koblic, > Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:15:37 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Noho and Hollywood Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof: Pappy is in NoHo: North Hollywood is in the San Fernando Valley and Hollywood is on the other side of the mountains. IF logistically he does not work out, there is also the Inosanto Academy in Marina del Rey to consider. CD > << I'm thinking of getting involved with FMA.I live near Hollywood Ca. am > looking for classes.I'm over 40 and taking a weapons based art seems to > make > sense as long as the empty hands aspects are there.i tend bar and owners > tend > to frown on you stabbing the customer,plus its bad for tips.If you can > point > me in the direction of some good instruction in the area or a list of > instuuctors that up to date,i'd be grateful.I don't know much about > eskrima so > any help is needed.I found a. school nearby Manaois systems....GM Conrad > Manaois.....Anyone have any info? > > Feel free to contact the North Hollywood clan of the Dog Brothers. > Contact > info can be found at http://dogbrothers.com for Nick "Pappy Dog" > Papadakis, > under the DBMAA Instructors link (on the left hand side). > > Aloha, Kalani "C-Poi Dog" > > Nick Papadakis of the Dog Brothers is in that area. In addition to > teaching > Kali > and running an equipment business as a rattan stick craftsman, Guro > Papadakis has a lot of > hard contact stick sparring experience. > Contact him at www.bloodsport.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "East Wind Academy" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Tuhon Gaje Pekiti Tirsia Kali-Aug 19-20 Virginia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings All! Please come join us for an outstanding Seminar! East Wind Academy of Martial Arts Proudly Presents GRAND TUHON LEO T. GAJE Pekiti Tirsia Kali August 19-20th Sat, Sun / 10:30 to 4:30 both days FILIPINO BLADE FIGHTING SYSTEM EDGED WEAPONS / IMPACT WEAPONS / EMPTY HANDS COMBAT East Wind Academy, 13361 Warwick Blvd, Newport News Va. 23602 (757)-988-0500 (Evenings) / ewa@widomaker.com / www.eastwindacademy.com Before: Aug 16th $130 for 2 days/$75 for 1 day - At the door : $140 for 2 days/ $85 for 1 day ** Group discounts available Don't miss this chance to train with a martial arts legend!! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest