Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:59:23 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #270 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Toe caps (Bill Lowery) 2. fma database ? (Ray) 3. Re: Re: Toe caps (nouveau3@comcast.net) 4. Re: sparring (Dave Wong) 5. Re: sparring (Ray) 6. Re: East, West and Mongols (bgdebuque) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:32:20 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Toe caps Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ollie, Just a quick ?. Did the savateurs shoes have steel toecaps or were they just very hard toe caps? Bill --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] fma database ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Is the FMA Database (fmadatabase.com) ever coming back? This notice has been shown for a rather long time now... --------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the FMA Database NOTE!!! ~ The FMA DATABASE is temporarily OFF-LINE for renovations ~ Back soon - May 2005!!! --------------------------------------------------- ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: nouveau3@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Toe caps Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:44:46 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All this talk about Savate reminds me of a little rhyme: The French they are a funny race, They fight with their feet, And f&&k with their face. Hope I don't offend anyone with that, I've got much french blood and my uncle, while in the Canadian Navy in the 60s and 70s, studied Savate. Shawn -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Lowery" > Hi Ollie, > > Just a quick ?. Did the savateurs shoes have steel toecaps or were they > just very hard toe caps? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Wong Subject: Re: [Eskrima] sparring To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So Dog Brother's type of sparring actually is now very common all around the world in FMA schools? "Keith Slatoff (SP FTA)" wrote: Does your school do any live sparring? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com We do light, medium, and heavy sparring with wood and bladed weapons only within the organization and its' members. When we spar with bladed weapons we use some protective gear for vital areas. Regards, Keith Keith Slatoff Associate Store Team Leader Whole Foods Market Ft. Apache 8855 W. Charleston Blvd. Las Vegas, NV 89014 702-254-8655 "I cannot attach right or wrong to actions other than my own." _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] sparring To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > So Dog Brother's type of sparring actually is now very common all around > the world in FMA schools? Probably not. But live sparring in the FMAs has been popular for a long time... since the beginning??? The biggest diff is perhaps that most(?) FMA live sparring remains stick or blade oriented with less BJJ blended in. Both types of live, full-contact, minimum protection or no protection sparring are an excellent experience. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:49:39 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] East, West and Mongols Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ha, ha,... Of course, it would be stretching it a bit to claim that the Mongols got driven out of Java because of Pencak Silat. On the contrary, what I was trying to imply is that the Javanese, the main practitioners of Pencak Silat, must know the business of fighting because they were only one of two armies who were able to defeat the Mongols in battle (the other group was the ancestors of present-day Egyptians). Taken against the backdrop of Western and Eastern armies who succumbed to Mongol military prowess at that time, to me, this was an incredible feat. BTW, religion can be excluded as a factor because, at that time, the primary Javenese religion is still a mixture of Buddhism and Hinduism, and not yet Islam. Message: 5 > From: "Marc MacYoung" > To: > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:47:11 -0600 > Subject: [Eskrima] East, West and Mongols > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > The Mongols also tasted defeat at the hands of the Javanese... > > > > It seems that Pencak Silat also has glorious roots... > > Ummm... on my book shelf I have books by Lamb, Grousset and a number of > others. In college I was a history major with a specialty on the nomadic > tribes of Central Asia. History and warfare is more complex than many > people > in the martial arts want it to be. The overall consensus is that weather, > > disease, environment, terrain, hoof rot, parasites and the strains of the > temperature on the men and horses bred for extreme cold is considered what > forced the Mongols to turn back from the whole of South East Asia... not > the > fighting arts they encountered there. When your troops and horses are all > sick, dead or dying, it's time to pull back. > > http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/mongols/china/china4_a.htm Columbia > University is a pretty solid source. If you can come up with a better > source on how the deadly fighting arts of the natives were what caused > them > to withdraw, I'd love to hear it. > M --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest