Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:15:19 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #273 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. A friend is going to the PI... (Gilmour, Julian) 2. Mongols in Rome (Bandile Dlabantu) 3. Re: Mongols in Rome (Ruel Apostol) 4. Upcoming West Coast events (Van Harn, Steve) 5. Sparring VS Fighting (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 6. Re: Sparring VS Fighting (jay de leon) 7. Karl Gotch url (Ray) 8. Re: Sparring VS Fighting (Daniel Arola) 9. Putting the boot in (Michael Koblic) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:44:09 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Cc: "Peabody, Graham" Subject: [Eskrima] A friend is going to the PI... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all To all members in the PI (or anyone else with knowledge), a friend of mine is planning a trip and emailed me these questions. (He has also expressed an interest in seeing some FMA) 1. When is the best time generally to visit the Philippines in respect of the following places: Manilla, Palawan, Panay and Boracay Island. 2. In respect of these places could they be visited easily during January and February or would rain potentially make it too difficult and/or uncomfortable. 3. Are there any other places that are definitely worth visiting, primarily for either or combination of good nightlife, good beaches and even trekking / climbing. He also says he doesn't really want to be there during a monsoon. Ray would probably prefer off-list responses, any help greatly appreciated. Strike from the void Julian ############################################################################# ######## This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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What happened to these bad boys of History Assimilation In the end the Mongols were assimilated into the communities they conqoured. They adapted to their religions converting to Islam ( Tarmalane), (Hulagu) Bhuddism, Christianity (Sorghaghtani Beki). Manpower problems This was because they had spread themselves thinly throughout the territories they conquered. Their empire progressed no further than the"Gates of Vienna," in the West.The shrinkage of the steppes because of the encroachment of agricultural peoples helped reduce the economic base that had produced so many ponies and fighting men. Change in technology The gunpowder age, which put paid to the run of success enjoyed by the mounted warrior, not only in Asia but elsewhere as well Civil Wars Infighting caused the break down of the cohesive Empire and the lack of strong leadership.Western Mongols Oirats against Eastern Mongols Chakhars, Tumeds,Ordoses and Khalkhas. The empire needed ruthless leadership like Chingis to hold it together succession battles forced the Mongols to retreat from Central Europe. Bandile D. Admire only the diamond that can bear the hits of a hammer - Kabir --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ruel Apostol Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mongols in Rome To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net and these mongols are the dudes from a present humble country called "Mongolia" right? if yes, amazing... Bandile Dlabantu wrote: did the mongols reach rome? and... what really happened to them? i mean... in the end. Conquering Rome Chingis wrote a letter to the Pope telling him to surrender to Mongol authority. Subutai poised to conquer Vienna. Chingis died and he had to return home and deal with a succession battle between Mongke Khan and his brothers and never came back to central Europe to finish the job. What happened to these bad boys of History Assimilation In the end the Mongols were assimilated into the communities they conqoured. They adapted to their religions converting to Islam ( Tarmalane), (Hulagu) Bhuddism, Christianity (Sorghaghtani Beki). Manpower problems This was because they had spread themselves thinly throughout the territories they conquered. Their empire progressed no further than the"Gates of Vienna," in the West.The shrinkage of the steppes because of the encroachment of agricultural peoples helped reduce the economic base that had produced so many ponies and fighting men. Change in technology The gunpowder age, which put paid to the run of success enjoyed by the mounted warrior, not only in Asia but elsewhere as well Civil Wars Infighting caused the break down of the cohesive Empire and the lack of strong leadership.Western Mongols Oirats against Eastern Mongols Chakhars, Tumeds,Ordoses and Khalkhas. The empire needed ruthless leadership like Chingis to hold it together succession battles forced the Mongols to retreat from Central Europe. Bandile D. Admire only the diamond that can bear the hits of a hammer - Kabir _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima www.unitedprimebuilders.com learn a filipino martial art and be proud of it: www.academialsa.littlebadboy.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:37:02 -0500 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Upcoming West Coast events Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Posted today on Jeff Finders Blog http://escrima.blogspot.com/ . I would highly recommend spending time with Roger if you can. "On September 2, Master Roger Agbulos will be doing a Lamenco seminar in Vancouver, Canada. Roger is a first generation student of the last grandmaster Edgar Sulite, as well as Bakbakan Kali Ilustrisimo grandmasters Rey Galang and Christopher Ricketts. Then on September 16 he will be co-hosting the Tipunan Sa Los Angeles (Gathering in Los Angeles)along with Jay de Leon and guest instructors Christopher and Bruce Ricketts, Ramon Rubia, and Willie Laureano & Victor Gendrano. Finally, Master Agbulos will be doing a Lamenco Seminar at Alex France's School in Pleasanton, Cal.on October 7." Links are on Jeff's Blog as well. Steve --__--__-- Message: 5 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:55:41 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gatherings are at a level few would consider, "sparring" and more on the line of friendly fights to help the tribe. Years ago at a seminar,..Guru Rich Bustillo said to us,.."What is the difference between sparring and fighting??" After lots of good answers, but not the RIGHT answer Guru Bustillo said, "In sparring, BOTH guys win!" It is about growth and not resolution of conflict.- Tom Furman www.physicalstrategies.blogspot.com > > In the recent comments about what we do, I've noticed the word "sparring" > applied. > > FWIW by my lights we have more than earned the word "fighting". > > The Adventure continues, > Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "In sparring, BOTH guys win!" It is about growth and not resolution of conflict." If one uses this as the sole criteria, then would not a Dog Brothers fight be sparring then? If we include the element of INTENT, does that serve to clarify the issue? In a fight, the intent would be to destroy the opponent, whether in self- defense, a street brawl, war, etc. Would a boxing match (in a ring) be fighting then? Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com wrote: Gatherings are at a level few would consider, "sparring" and more on the line of friendly fights to help the tribe. Years ago at a seminar,..Guru Rich Bustillo said to us,.."What is the difference between sparring and fighting??" After lots of good answers, but not the RIGHT answer Guru Bustillo said, "In sparring, BOTH guys win!" It is about growth and not resolution of conflict.- Tom Furman www.physicalstrategies.blogspot.com > > In the recent comments about what we do, I've noticed the word "sparring" > applied. > > FWIW by my lights we have more than earned the word "fighting". > > The Adventure continues, > Crafty Dog _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Karl Gotch url Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://tinyurl.com/nq7j8 Karl Gotch's conditioning challenge. FWIW... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At a Dog Brothers gathering, Marc "Crafty Dog " Denny states .... "No trophies, no winners, no losers, just be friends at the end of the day" I believe that is the criteria established for these type of matches. There is a HUGE distinction between what is a sparring match and a fight and at the Dog Brother gatherings, they FIGHT. Daniel Arola jay de leon wrote: "In sparring, BOTH guys win!" It is about growth and not resolution of conflict." If one uses this as the sole criteria, then would not a Dog Brothers fight be sparring then? If we include the element of INTENT, does that serve to clarify the issue? In a fight, the intent would be to destroy the opponent, whether in self- defense, a street brawl, war, etc. Would a boxing match (in a ring) be fighting then? Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com wrote: Gatherings are at a level few would consider, "sparring" and more on the line of friendly fights to help the tribe. Years ago at a seminar,..Guru Rich Bustillo said to us,.."What is the difference between sparring and fighting??" After lots of good answers, but not the RIGHT answer Guru Bustillo said, "In sparring, BOTH guys win!" It is about growth and not resolution of conflict.- Tom Furman www.physicalstrategies.blogspot.com > > In the recent comments about what we do, I've noticed the word "sparring" > applied. > > FWIW by my lights we have more than earned the word "fighting". > > The Adventure continues, > Crafty Dog _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:08:30 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Putting the boot in Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "I don't really believe that the olden-day Parisienne street thugs wore that kind of industrial type of shoe. But if you can imagine someone kicking with leather soled Oxford type brogue, even one of today's models, made by Loake, Trickers, Barkers, etc., you will realise they can do the job rather nicely, with or without the addition of the little steel horseshoes" Whatever happened to the Doc Martin's Cherry Reds? In my days they were deemed essential equipment on the terraces of Stamford Bridge, Highbury or Old Trafford. I guess CCTV made them obsolete... Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC - showing his age --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest